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<blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 3060021" data-attributes="member: 29746"><p>Thanks for the input Martin!</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a complaint that's been brought up many a time about D&D Vampires in general, of course. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I certainly agree with that. However, this creature isn't entirely vampiric; it's a fusion of the Blood and <strong>Spirit</strong> natures of Undead, and thus is also like a Ghost, Spectre, or Wraith. IMO that's a good enough reason to keep the energy drain ability, though I'm certainly open to discussion on this point. We should keep in mind that this is a being that's supposed to be as powerful as an Akalich, though; if it can't drain energy from its victims, it should become even nastier in some other way to compensate for that. The Akalich <strong>eats the souls of gods</strong>, for cripes' sake! <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then you like the idea of it being able to create more like itself? The image is cool, granted, but this becomes potentially problematic if the Erythreon isn't a Swarm (or even, for different reasons, if it is one). Why doesn't the new cloud just merge with the first one to make a bigger cloud? Or if it's a Swarm, so that question becomes irrelevant, we come back to the question of whether the two Swarms should share the same mind (and if so, how)?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not understanding what you mean by FrB, but yes, I agree that a mass Rage (or other emotion)-inducing ability is very cool and in flavor for this being.</p><p></p><p></p><p>See my discussion in the previous post for potential snags here. This thing <strong>has</strong> to be Undead, that's the whole point of making the creature in the first place; however, other qualities are up for debate. If it's mindless, what's the explanation for where the mind of the undead it evolved from went? That's particularly important in the case of evolution from the Ghost/Wraith type entities, since they technically don't have anything <strong>but</strong> their minds. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Also, if the Erythreon is only Large size, what does it do when it encounters something big like a Great Red Wyrm? This is where being a Swarm would come in handy, but of course, that leads us back to the rules problem of expanding the mandated size of a 10-foot cube.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="paradox42, post: 3060021, member: 29746"] Thanks for the input Martin! That's a complaint that's been brought up many a time about D&D Vampires in general, of course. :) I certainly agree with that. However, this creature isn't entirely vampiric; it's a fusion of the Blood and [b]Spirit[/b] natures of Undead, and thus is also like a Ghost, Spectre, or Wraith. IMO that's a good enough reason to keep the energy drain ability, though I'm certainly open to discussion on this point. We should keep in mind that this is a being that's supposed to be as powerful as an Akalich, though; if it can't drain energy from its victims, it should become even nastier in some other way to compensate for that. The Akalich [b]eats the souls of gods[/b], for cripes' sake! :lol: Then you like the idea of it being able to create more like itself? The image is cool, granted, but this becomes potentially problematic if the Erythreon isn't a Swarm (or even, for different reasons, if it is one). Why doesn't the new cloud just merge with the first one to make a bigger cloud? Or if it's a Swarm, so that question becomes irrelevant, we come back to the question of whether the two Swarms should share the same mind (and if so, how)? I'm not understanding what you mean by FrB, but yes, I agree that a mass Rage (or other emotion)-inducing ability is very cool and in flavor for this being. See my discussion in the previous post for potential snags here. This thing [b]has[/b] to be Undead, that's the whole point of making the creature in the first place; however, other qualities are up for debate. If it's mindless, what's the explanation for where the mind of the undead it evolved from went? That's particularly important in the case of evolution from the Ghost/Wraith type entities, since they technically don't have anything [b]but[/b] their minds. :) Also, if the Erythreon is only Large size, what does it do when it encounters something big like a Great Red Wyrm? This is where being a Swarm would come in handy, but of course, that leads us back to the rules problem of expanding the mandated size of a 10-foot cube. [/QUOTE]
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