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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3154662" data-attributes="member: 326">Well the Seraphim were created before Ascension. Although I thought they had typical Old One stats. Oh, I remember now, initially I had the ability score bonuses at 5 per divine rank and now they are at 6 per divine rank (one per ability score). Thats probably where the problem is.Its a bit like Edification - the transcendental ability.I think divine for both, they don't really give it much of an advantage.Well I probably created the abilities for those monsters and then added them to the ability lists in Ascension.As long as you are enjoying yourself! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />They get their portfolio based spell-like abilities as well as integrated spell-casting levels equal to 1/2 their hit dice. Probably Cleric (or Necromancer) for Orcus and Sorcerer for Demogorgon.Apocrypha would do that to an extent (I added some things to it last night to make it more generically useful).</blockquote>