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Message: <blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 3201526" data-attributes="member: 29746">Agreed. There are many qualities the base rules define as Supernatural which could actually be produced via Extraordinary means; take for example a breath weapon spitting fire. All one really needs to get the same effect is a means of expelling a cloud of hydrogen, and a means of producing a spark to ignite it in an oxygen atmosphere; the former can be done with organic processes (though it is admittedly rare), and the latter can be done via an electrochemical reaction. Combine the two and voila: non-supernatural fire breath. Probably not all that damaging, but still- an impressive trick.IMO if you can come up with a good, rational explanation for how an ability is performed, then there's no reason to make it Supernatural, and consequently a creature using that process which has an INT score of 1 or 2 can be an Animal as opposed to Aberration or Magical Beast.That said, it sort of feeds into the topic of the moignos, which I also wanted to comment on. I like the Moigno Traits as defined so far, and the idea of making the sets and supersets the Immortal-level versions while the other "species" represent actual individual numbers is a stroke of brilliance. However, Fieari left one category out of the basic list of number types: where do Transcendental numbers fit? Certainly the Real Transcendentals should be less than Reals in power, but are they merely Irrationals, or something else? Imaginary/Complex Transcendentals are obviously on par with those categories, and probably not worth making a separate tier for.But here's an idea, based on that notion: the Complex Moigno should actually be a template that one applies to a regular moigno, or even a pair (one Real and one Imaginary), since complex numbers are by definition additions of real and imaginary component numbers. If we continue in this logic, the Complex Moigno could then be like a lich or vampire in terms of power increase, and it gives us a base and excuse for statting up the Quaternions and Octonions as further templates. Say, Quaternion could be equivalent to Demilich, and Octonion something like an Akalich? Essentially, this takes the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayley-Dickson_construction" target="_blank">Cayley-Dickson construction</a> (which is how Octonions are derived from Quaternions, and arguably how Quaternions are derived from Complex numbers, or even how Complex are derived from "lesser-tier" numbers) and applies the concept to living numbers as a series of templates. It even gives us a reason for why these increasingly powerful moignos appear: two moignos of lesser tiers meet, discover a task or ability they have in common, and via some process unique to the moigno "race" they either spawn or merge into something greater than themselves.</blockquote>

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