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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zarquin" data-source="post: 3395327" data-attributes="member: 50386">Yeah, if we modeled earth as a great big ball of stone/iron(which is mostly what the earth is made of) we get a sphere about 42 million feet in diameter or about 500 million inches, giving it between 7.5 billion hp and 15 billion hp depending on if you model it as stone or iron.I based the feat structure off of 1 feat to DR, 1 feat to fast healing, 1 feat to improved toughness, 2 feats to strengh, repeat, and only had 5M feats.  Had I had 16x as many feats those numbers would have increased 16 fold to DR: 48m, FM: 32m, HP: 200md8+3.2q, STR: 32m and scaled the base damage to be strong enough to pierece it's own DR and do more than fast healing damage beyond that a round with 2 slams, which is something that I firmly believe, no creature should be incapable of potentially doing enough damage to kill itself.  Most creatures will never do it, but 2 creatures of a given species should be able to fight to the death without old age being the cause of death.I've looked at A'Tuin and was confused why it took epic toughness at all, since any creature with more than 60 HD will get more out of either improved toughness, or just boosting con twice.  Also, I've thought about the importance of armor after a point. Because I think that once you're as large as a planet, it shouldn't be that hard to hit the creature, but it probably should be sufficently hard to hurt the creature, so it might have better spend the 41million feats boosting natural armor into either boosting fast healing or damage reduction, and if it had spent the 20m feats on epic toughness on epic consitution instead it whould have had about 4,000,000,000,000,000 hp or 4 quadrillion hp.  Also, given that the books warn that A'Tuin might eventually get in a territory fight with another star turtle, how are they going to fight?  They can't hit each other except on a nat 20, even then, they can't do enough damage to pierce DR or fast healing.</blockquote>

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