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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 3604822" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hey paradox matey! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>long post... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which would be a situational modifier to the EL and in many respects cheapen the monster which is why I generally tend to create my monsters to overcome immunities.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but when you say 'average' party level, do you mean <u>your </u> average party level of powergamers, or the averge party level of the majority of gamers out there? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm all for that though, my pet hate is immunities.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is why you should always try and think of ways for epic monsters to overcome (or partially overcome) immunities.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't ignore your argument, I just disagree with it.</p><p></p><p>If a monster tries a special ability that has a save or die type effect which has a 25% chance of success, then statistically on average thats better than engaging in melee whereby you deal an average 20% damage to a given target.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The key is what constitutes a wasted action though. In your mind a wasted action is when nothing happens, but statistically speaking that may not be a waste. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll state again. A 25% chance of killing someone dead is better than dealing 20% damage per round.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For me the obvious answer is that near auto success is superior, however, see my alternative saving throw rules posted earlier today.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly, I think its less a case of a party where everyone is equal and more a case of a party where everyone can shine, that may not necessarily always be combat as you note.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes but I do so love to tease people with this sort of stuff. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...and who says bigger numbers aren't necessarily fun! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They'll enjoy some of the stuff you will unleash in Gods & Monsters, especially the Drakainai, Gigantes and Titans...you'll be in 'Hog Heaven'.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have waited this long I can wait another week or two. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I only have half the dragons decided for future Bestiary Volumes, so if there is anything in particular you want me to look at let me know.</p><p></p><p>Gods & Monsters: Lunar (adamic) & Doom/Barbarian (epic)</p><p></p><p>Bestiary #2: Quasar (Nehaschimic). </p><p></p><p>Not sure what other adamic dragon to do for #2...I was always thinking perhaps the Planetary/Gravitic Dragon was based upon King Ghidorah (from the Godzilla movies) - so I am not sure I want to get too close to that.</p><p></p><p>Achromatic/Rogue (Epic). </p><p></p><p>Which means in some order I am missing the Bard, Monk and Psion based Dragons. I was only planning on two epic dragons (plus one adamic and one nehaschimic) per future volume...although thats not necessarily set in stone.</p><p></p><p>Bestiary #3: Black Hole (Nehaschimic).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 3604822, member: 326"] Hey paradox matey! :D long post... :uhoh: Which would be a situational modifier to the EL and in many respects cheapen the monster which is why I generally tend to create my monsters to overcome immunities. Yes, but when you say 'average' party level, do you mean [U]your [/U] average party level of powergamers, or the averge party level of the majority of gamers out there? I'm all for that though, my pet hate is immunities. Which is why you should always try and think of ways for epic monsters to overcome (or partially overcome) immunities. I didn't ignore your argument, I just disagree with it. If a monster tries a special ability that has a save or die type effect which has a 25% chance of success, then statistically on average thats better than engaging in melee whereby you deal an average 20% damage to a given target. The key is what constitutes a wasted action though. In your mind a wasted action is when nothing happens, but statistically speaking that may not be a waste. I'll state again. A 25% chance of killing someone dead is better than dealing 20% damage per round. For me the obvious answer is that near auto success is superior, however, see my alternative saving throw rules posted earlier today. Exactly, I think its less a case of a party where everyone is equal and more a case of a party where everyone can shine, that may not necessarily always be combat as you note. Yes but I do so love to tease people with this sort of stuff. ;) :lol: ...and who says bigger numbers aren't necessarily fun! :D They'll enjoy some of the stuff you will unleash in Gods & Monsters, especially the Drakainai, Gigantes and Titans...you'll be in 'Hog Heaven'. I have waited this long I can wait another week or two. :) Well I only have half the dragons decided for future Bestiary Volumes, so if there is anything in particular you want me to look at let me know. Gods & Monsters: Lunar (adamic) & Doom/Barbarian (epic) Bestiary #2: Quasar (Nehaschimic). Not sure what other adamic dragon to do for #2...I was always thinking perhaps the Planetary/Gravitic Dragon was based upon King Ghidorah (from the Godzilla movies) - so I am not sure I want to get too close to that. Achromatic/Rogue (Epic). Which means in some order I am missing the Bard, Monk and Psion based Dragons. I was only planning on two epic dragons (plus one adamic and one nehaschimic) per future volume...although thats not necessarily set in stone. Bestiary #3: Black Hole (Nehaschimic). [/QUOTE]
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