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<blockquote data-quote="paradox42" data-source="post: 3640581" data-attributes="member: 29746"><p>It's Adamic, being the "superposition particles" dragon I originally noted, so any Transcendent abilities will be difficult to justify. However, it's interesting that you mention shrinking of mass- I was playing around with the idea of making them the smallest of the Adamics, one "tick" off the end of the scale U_K suggests in the Bestiary. That is, they'd start with 68 HD, one 12-HD step below 80 (which should be the smallest of the "known breeds").</p><p></p><p>I mentioned the Concealment Portfolio because according to U_K's scheme, each such dragon is effectively based on a single Dimension. Well, Dimensions ultimately come from beings with doubles in a Portfolio, right? That's why there's a Dominion entry for First One in the main Portfolio template. So ultimately, the Adamic dragons are tied (if loosely) to Portfolios. The idea with this dragon type would be, they're small and weak compared to most, so their powers of stealth and spying are unmatched. They survive because they're rare, incorporeal (that, certainly, fits with the paradigm of Dark Matter as we on Earth today theorize about it), and take care to stay difficult to notice. It might also be that by basing them on a new Portfolio, a Dimension other than the known six, we have a reason for them being so small and relatively weak. The Dimension itself may be new, and given what the Portfolio description itself says- it would be unnoticed by anybody aware of the wider multiverse. Thus, the dragons representing it are also small, relatively new in the cosmic scheme of things, and take care to remain beneath the notice of more powerful beings.</p><p></p><p>I was also thinking of slipping in some fluff along the lines of the old <strong>Dark*Matter</strong> setting, specifically the idea that Dark Matter is somehow tied to the way magic works. That would make these Dark Matter dragons extremely powerful spell-users, and I was thinking of using this idea to make their Cosmic bonus a circumstance bonus specifically- the idea being that they actually have a lesser version of the Alter Reality Cosmic ability, but can only use it to grant the bonus rather than just do any old thing like the full ability can. Their bonus Divine ability is going to be Shadow Self, as I have things right now, which seems to fit both the stealth idea as well as the idea that they're dragons of a particle realm that mirrors the particle realms we know, but at a higher mass and passing ghostlike through our own, which are ideas about Dark Matter that are echoed in various parts of the current scientific literature.</p><p></p><p>I also was toying with some ideas for new Cosmic [Effects] to use for the breath weapon, since none of the existing Cosmic [Effects] really seems both appropriate and not already used by another Adamic dragon type. Gravitic [Effect] should logically be tied to the "gravity dragon" which we suspect will be the Planetary, Annihilating [Effect] is effectively already used by the Void Dragon, and so on. Admittedly the Cometary Dragon's breath doesn't duplicate Chronal [Effect] as written- it's just a 9th-level spell that the dragon can break some rules related to (namely the part about being able to attack the victims)- but maybe that's worth a Cosmic ability? Anyway, I decided that since the Nexus Dragon clearly and obviously has a breath weapon based on a Transcendent effect, and I used that idea to give the Firmament Dragon its breath weapon, logically the Adamics should have breath weapons based on Cosmic effects.</p><p></p><p>I'd like the Dark Matter dragon to breathe some sort of "Dark Energy" effect, but exactly what that means is unclear. My current idea for this is that it's a type of energy that always hits its target in the worst way- for example, a Red dragon would be hit with Cold damage, while a White would be hit with Fire. Also, given that the dragons which produce this breath weapon are themselves incorporeal, the breath weapon should always work normally against incorporeal, material and Ethereal targets, regardless of its origin- like a Force effect. I figure it would actually <strong>deal</strong> Force damage against a target that's immune to all the basic energy types. But the question then becomes- if this is a Cosmic ability, how much damage is being dealt here? How much is the ability to always hit an opponent with the energy type it's weakest against "worth" when stacking up against other abilities?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="paradox42, post: 3640581, member: 29746"] It's Adamic, being the "superposition particles" dragon I originally noted, so any Transcendent abilities will be difficult to justify. However, it's interesting that you mention shrinking of mass- I was playing around with the idea of making them the smallest of the Adamics, one "tick" off the end of the scale U_K suggests in the Bestiary. That is, they'd start with 68 HD, one 12-HD step below 80 (which should be the smallest of the "known breeds"). I mentioned the Concealment Portfolio because according to U_K's scheme, each such dragon is effectively based on a single Dimension. Well, Dimensions ultimately come from beings with doubles in a Portfolio, right? That's why there's a Dominion entry for First One in the main Portfolio template. So ultimately, the Adamic dragons are tied (if loosely) to Portfolios. The idea with this dragon type would be, they're small and weak compared to most, so their powers of stealth and spying are unmatched. They survive because they're rare, incorporeal (that, certainly, fits with the paradigm of Dark Matter as we on Earth today theorize about it), and take care to stay difficult to notice. It might also be that by basing them on a new Portfolio, a Dimension other than the known six, we have a reason for them being so small and relatively weak. The Dimension itself may be new, and given what the Portfolio description itself says- it would be unnoticed by anybody aware of the wider multiverse. Thus, the dragons representing it are also small, relatively new in the cosmic scheme of things, and take care to remain beneath the notice of more powerful beings. I was also thinking of slipping in some fluff along the lines of the old [b]Dark*Matter[/b] setting, specifically the idea that Dark Matter is somehow tied to the way magic works. That would make these Dark Matter dragons extremely powerful spell-users, and I was thinking of using this idea to make their Cosmic bonus a circumstance bonus specifically- the idea being that they actually have a lesser version of the Alter Reality Cosmic ability, but can only use it to grant the bonus rather than just do any old thing like the full ability can. Their bonus Divine ability is going to be Shadow Self, as I have things right now, which seems to fit both the stealth idea as well as the idea that they're dragons of a particle realm that mirrors the particle realms we know, but at a higher mass and passing ghostlike through our own, which are ideas about Dark Matter that are echoed in various parts of the current scientific literature. I also was toying with some ideas for new Cosmic [Effects] to use for the breath weapon, since none of the existing Cosmic [Effects] really seems both appropriate and not already used by another Adamic dragon type. Gravitic [Effect] should logically be tied to the "gravity dragon" which we suspect will be the Planetary, Annihilating [Effect] is effectively already used by the Void Dragon, and so on. Admittedly the Cometary Dragon's breath doesn't duplicate Chronal [Effect] as written- it's just a 9th-level spell that the dragon can break some rules related to (namely the part about being able to attack the victims)- but maybe that's worth a Cosmic ability? Anyway, I decided that since the Nexus Dragon clearly and obviously has a breath weapon based on a Transcendent effect, and I used that idea to give the Firmament Dragon its breath weapon, logically the Adamics should have breath weapons based on Cosmic effects. I'd like the Dark Matter dragon to breathe some sort of "Dark Energy" effect, but exactly what that means is unclear. My current idea for this is that it's a type of energy that always hits its target in the worst way- for example, a Red dragon would be hit with Cold damage, while a White would be hit with Fire. Also, given that the dragons which produce this breath weapon are themselves incorporeal, the breath weapon should always work normally against incorporeal, material and Ethereal targets, regardless of its origin- like a Force effect. I figure it would actually [b]deal[/b] Force damage against a target that's immune to all the basic energy types. But the question then becomes- if this is a Cosmic ability, how much damage is being dealt here? How much is the ability to always hit an opponent with the energy type it's weakest against "worth" when stacking up against other abilities? [/QUOTE]
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