Immortals Handbook Epic Bestiary (now available)

[Upper_Krust]

Thank you very much Uk!

I don't recall for what, but you are welcome.

Preview of Surtur would be great ! (lobbying , lobbying....)

I know, I know.

Lipika would have Cr in quadrillions?lol

No, they forget most of their powers, so they would only be about CR 10,000 or thereabouts.

Want to do my new Corellon Larethian and my Phoenix with your rules!!
good luck for your work!

Corellon should be easy enough.

Ascension: Page 25 Creating your own Deities.

Table 2-10...Greater Deity = 8d6+72 Hit Dice/levels

However I'll just choose 101 since thats what his 1st Ed. Levels added up to.

Table 2-11...Determines Class Displacement.

However, I'll just take the (suggested) maximum of 4 classes*, since that seems to parallel his 1st Ed. stats. Primary: Sorcerer/Ranger Secondary: Druid/Bard

Corellon is Sorcerer 34/Ranger 33/Druid 17/Bard 17

*No that doesn't include Prestige Classes.

Table 2-12...determines typical Greater Deity ability scores. Average 48, Min 24, Max 72.

Table 2-13...determines Corellon's ability scores broken down for someone with his Class Levels.

Str 44, Con 40, Dex 72, Int 28, Wis 56, Cha 48

All thats before things like Divine Abilities (I'm thinking Charisma could be a touch higher).

ECL 181, equipment:

Mithril Chainmail: +45/+45 worth of special abilities (Glittering etc.).

Star Sword: +32/+32 worth of special abilities (Shining Nexus etc.).

Bow: +32/Dread (Orc), Unerring Composite Longbow.

One other artifact.

Possible non epic items...Boots of Elvenkind, Speed and Striding & Springing, Cloak of Displacement (Major), Elvenkind & Resistance +5

Anyway, thats all just off the top of my head with some help from Page 25 of Ascension.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K!

Hello!

I don't know if anyone really realizes at this point how cool Ascension is actually going to be, I really don't.

...and if I don't get it finished no ones ever going to realise it.

The multiplication idea seems reasonable from my vantage point. Though, admittedly, there just aren't that many CR 500 to 10,000 things around to test on . . . yet.

By the way someone previously (maybe Fieari) mentioned something about the Star Turtle and whether much would have a chance against it (CR 84,431,558). For what it's worth I believe it would have virtually no chance against a GW Nexus Dragon.

Thats why I have a new clause in Ascension (and the print bestiary) that has the bonds of reality break down at 1000 Hit Dice*.

*Of course multi-dimensional beings and can exceed this naturally.

The whole thing goes doo-lally if you just keep adding Hit Dice without the powers to back that Hit Dice up.

 

[Alzrius]

High Lords are NOT the Supreme Being, though one of them could be.

Huh, looks like that was a mistaken assumption on my part then. So is the Supreme Being beyond statistics? I'd like to think that there was a point where a lesser creature would be able to gather enough power to challenge even the Supreme Being, and have a chance of success (though I imagine such a creature would have to be a powerful High Lord at the very least).

All Lipika are retired Supreme Beings, but not all retired Supreme Beings are Lipika.

Hm, so do they keep their powers intact, revert down to the next-highest divine level (High Lord), or something else altogether?

 

[Sledge]

Corellon should be easy enough.
Ascension: Page 25 Creating your own Deities.
Table 2-10...Greater Deity = 8d6+72 Hit Dice/levels
However I'll just choose 101 since thats what his 1st Ed. Levels added up to.
Table 2-11...Determines Class Displacement.
However, I'll just take the (suggested) maximum of 4 classes*, since that seems to parallel his 1st Ed. stats. Primary: Sorcerer/Ranger Secondary: Druid/Bard
Corellon is Sorcerer 34/Ranger 33/Druid 17/Bard 17
*No that doesn't include Prestige Classes.
Table 2-12...determines typical Greater Deity ability scores. Average 48, Min 24, Max 72.
Table 2-13...determines Corellon's ability scores broken down for someone with his Class Levels.
Str 44, Con 40, Dex 72, Int 28, Wis 56, Cha 48
All thats before things like Divine Abilities (I'm thinking Charisma could be a touch higher).
ECL 181, equipment:
Mithril Chainmail: +45/+45 worth of special abilities (Glittering etc.).
Star Sword: +32/+32 worth of special abilities (Shining Nexus etc.).
Bow: +32/Dread (Orc), Unerring Composite Longbow.
One other artifact.
Possible non epic items...Boots of Elvenkind, Speed and Striding & Springing, Cloak of Displacement (Major), Elvenkind & Resistance +5
Anyway, thats all just off the top of my head with some help from Page 25 of Ascension.

Now that kind of teasing is just cruel! We are trying to wait as patiently as possible, without much in the way of previews, while you have access to your actual manuscript. The time has come to share with us!
Seriously keep working at it and let us know its ready soon!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

Huh, looks like that was a mistaken assumption on my part then. So is the Supreme Being beyond statistics?

Not exactly, the current Supreme Being is the most powerful High Lord (probably).

I'd like to think that there was a point where a lesser creature would be able to gather enough power to challenge even the Supreme Being, and have a chance of success (though I imagine such a creature would have to be a powerful High Lord at the very least).

See above. Indeed.

Hm, so do they keep their powers intact, revert down to the next-highest divine level (High Lord), or something else altogether?

Something else altogether (current build) although they are a bit Time Lordyish.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey all!

Could someone do me a favour (?). I remember not so long ago a few people (RockHoward and Alzrius spring to mind) uncovered a few flaws in the Epic Bestiary.

Dragon Virtual Size Categories was one, Kabiri's Armour Class and Attacks was another.

I was contacted by the Publisher a few hours ago to make some changes necessary for the print process. Basically this is going to be able to give me a final shot at fixing all the errata done so far. Could someone post all the recent errata mentioned in one place to save me looking through this entire thread.

Oh, and if anyone else has noticed any new errata post it within the next day or so.

Thanks.

 

[Rockhoward56]

thanks uk for corellon

The final errata for Kabiri should be 89 (didn't add the base Ca :\ )
For Alabaster is Initiave should be 128 and retired the supreme Initiative for Superior Initiative

 

[Alzrius]

I've mentioned this before, but I'll reiterate it here. The second paragraph under the "Combat" header for Nimrod: "Nimrod’s natural weapons, as well as any weapons he wields ignore all forms of damage reduction." has no mechanical basis for how he's able to do that. That line should either be struck, or something should be added to the akalich template itself justifying how he's able to do that.

Nimrod's initiative seems to be off. He has +13 from his Dexterity (taking the gloves into account), and Improved Initiative for another +4, but his listed Dexterity score is only +15, instead of +17 (unless there's some sort of penalty I'm not aware of).

Alabaster's initiative should be +128 (+60 luck, +60 Dex, +8 Superior Initiative (which is currently misnamed Supreme Iniaitive)), not +150.

In it's Possessions line, the Elohim's entry says it has a "+21 animating" shield, which should be animated.

The Kyriotates has an initiative of +25. However, with a +12 divine bonus, a Dexterity of 30 (+10 bonus), and Improved Initiative (+4), it should have an initiative of +26.

The Malakim has an initiative of +28. However, with a +8 divine bonus, a Dexterity of 38 (+14), and Superior Initiative (+8), it should have an initiative of +30.

Regarding Kabiri's AC, the listing of bonuses in his AC line is correct, but the total value they give for his AC should be 89.

Regarding Kabiri's attacks, with +35 BAB, Strength 28 (+9), a +18 weapon, +6 divine bonus, and +1 Epic Prowess, should give him an attack bonus of +69 for his weapon attacks, not +71. Also, you have his critical threat multiplier as being 15-20 for a longsword. This seems to be a result of stacking keen and Improved Critical, which isn't allowed.

In his Possessions line, Kabiri's magic items and artifacts should be italicized.

The issue of dragon virtual size categories isn't errata, per se. Rather, it was noted that the tables showing the dragons' stats didn't take into account VSC adjustments to natural armor or Constitution (including Con-based stats). Personally, I don't think this is an issue, since the VSCs are noted under the Special Abilities column for each dragon, and it makes more sense (IMO) to have them be listed separately.

The Juvenile Cometary Dragon has "Supreme Initiative." This should be Superior Initiative. The actual initiative score it has is correct.

The Wyrmling Nexus Dragon has "Supreme Initiative." This should be Superior Initiative. The actual initiative score it has is correct.

The Old Platinum Dragon has holy aura and holy word as prepared spells, which seems a little silly since it can use those as spell-like abilities at will. Also the holy aura (constant) spell-like ability should probably get it's own line saying it's always active, and if dispelled can be reactivated as a free action on the Old Platinum Dragon's next turn (see the entry for the Solar in the MM for an example of this).

The Ioun Golem has a Dexterity of 68 (a +29 bonus), but it has an Initiative listing of -1.

 

[Anabstercorian]

Also, I maintain that the Cometary Dragon's Seventh Sense ability remains an unplayable mess.

 

[poilbrun]

Corellon should be easy enough.

Ascension: Page 25 Creating your own Deities.

Table 2-10...Greater Deity = 8d6+72 Hit Dice/levels

However I'll just choose 101 since thats what his 1st Ed. Levels added up to.

Table 2-11...Determines Class Displacement.

However, I'll just take the (suggested) maximum of 4 classes*, since that seems to parallel his 1st Ed. stats. Primary: Sorcerer/Ranger Secondary: Druid/Bard

Corellon is Sorcerer 34/Ranger 33/Druid 17/Bard 17

*No that doesn't include Prestige Classes.

Table 2-12...determines typical Greater Deity ability scores. Average 48, Min 24, Max 72.

Table 2-13...determines Corellon's ability scores broken down for someone with his Class Levels.

Str 44, Con 40, Dex 72, Int 28, Wis 56, Cha 48

All thats before things like Divine Abilities (I'm thinking Charisma could be a touch higher).

ECL 181, equipment:

Mithril Chainmail: +45/+45 worth of special abilities (Glittering etc.).

Star Sword: +32/+32 worth of special abilities (Shining Nexus etc.).

Bow: +32/Dread (Orc), Unerring Composite Longbow.

One other artifact.

Possible non epic items...Boots of Elvenkind, Speed and Striding & Springing, Cloak of Displacement (Major), Elvenkind & Resistance +5

Anyway, thats all just off the top of my head with some help from Page 25 of Ascension.

I'm usually among those who patiently wait for the book without chiming in very often, but I agree with Sledge: this teaser was MEAN