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<blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 3392483" data-attributes="member: 4722"><p>So you're using the term "artifact" to mean "epic magic item". That's kind of misleading, given that "artifacts" have, for 30 years, been something totally different wouldn't you say?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, but how does that work in play? Do the PCs' items just automatically increase in power as the PC gains levels, without the PC having to spend gold and time to upgrade them?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I neglected to mention that he might be able to <em>afford</em> it, but he wouldn't be able to <em>buy</em> it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ignoring for the moment that their "upper limit" of 25,000 people is utterly absurd*, you're right.</p><p></p><p>*Some medieval and even pre-Christian cities had several hundred thousand or even a million people in them. Waterdeep has a milliion; so does that city in Sembia whose name escapes me, and I'm sure there are several in Eberron too. If you extrapolate an extra 100K gp item value per 25K population, you'd get around 4 million gp limit for a million people so it's entirely possible that in a place like Waterdeep, you'd be able to find a +6 weapon.</p><p></p><p></p><p>True, it likely wouldn't ever be sold, but.. I don't know about your world, but in ours, people use their magic items. Of course, ours is a world based around war, where you use every advantage you can get, but I couldn't really see a +6 item (weapon OR armor) sitting in someone's treasury gathering dust unless: a) it's a (religious) artifact that belonged to a hero of the order; or b) it's buried with the person who used it. If I'm powerful enough to have such an item, I'd most likely be using it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't get me started on the ridiculousness of epic pricing and XP costs for magic items. I'll just give you two links and leave it at that: <a href="http://shtar.pbwiki.com/Epic%20Pricing%20System" target="_blank">Epic Item Progression</a> (cheaper XP costs) and <a href="http://shtar.pbwiki.com/Artificing" target="_blank">artificing</a> (no XP costs).</p><p></p><p></p><p>True... they'd be buying higher-level potions (elixirs, or whatever) like potions of heal instead of potions of cure serious wounds. Lower-level potions are still handy for when the party spellcaster is out of spells, or when the party member in question is alone (cut off, scouting, whatever), but yeah... those situations would be fairly rare, which means he wouldn't have a lot of those.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kerrick, post: 3392483, member: 4722"] So you're using the term "artifact" to mean "epic magic item". That's kind of misleading, given that "artifacts" have, for 30 years, been something totally different wouldn't you say? Right, but how does that work in play? Do the PCs' items just automatically increase in power as the PC gains levels, without the PC having to spend gold and time to upgrade them? Yeah, I neglected to mention that he might be able to [i]afford[/i] it, but he wouldn't be able to [i]buy[/i] it. Ignoring for the moment that their "upper limit" of 25,000 people is utterly absurd*, you're right. *Some medieval and even pre-Christian cities had several hundred thousand or even a million people in them. Waterdeep has a milliion; so does that city in Sembia whose name escapes me, and I'm sure there are several in Eberron too. If you extrapolate an extra 100K gp item value per 25K population, you'd get around 4 million gp limit for a million people so it's entirely possible that in a place like Waterdeep, you'd be able to find a +6 weapon. True, it likely wouldn't ever be sold, but.. I don't know about your world, but in ours, people use their magic items. Of course, ours is a world based around war, where you use every advantage you can get, but I couldn't really see a +6 item (weapon OR armor) sitting in someone's treasury gathering dust unless: a) it's a (religious) artifact that belonged to a hero of the order; or b) it's buried with the person who used it. If I'm powerful enough to have such an item, I'd most likely be using it. Don't get me started on the ridiculousness of epic pricing and XP costs for magic items. I'll just give you two links and leave it at that: [url=http://shtar.pbwiki.com/Epic%20Pricing%20System]Epic Item Progression[/url] (cheaper XP costs) and [url=http://shtar.pbwiki.com/Artificing]artificing[/url] (no XP costs). True... they'd be buying higher-level potions (elixirs, or whatever) like potions of heal instead of potions of cure serious wounds. Lower-level potions are still handy for when the party spellcaster is out of spells, or when the party member in question is alone (cut off, scouting, whatever), but yeah... those situations would be fairly rare, which means he wouldn't have a lot of those. [/QUOTE]
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