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<blockquote data-quote="historian" data-source="post: 3761423" data-attributes="member: 13438"><p>Accepting the idea isn't concommitant to accepting the testimony of every eyewitness claiming to see a visitor irrespective of similarities in their accounts and I quite honestly have no idea whether aliens do or don't exist or whether they have visited this planet.</p><p></p><p>That said, I recognize that there are several arguments based on circumstantial evidence suggesting the high likelihood of intelligent life throughout the Cosmos.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>My point previously was that our society (in real life) hasn't been able to visit places multiple light-years away. Mortal societies in the MU have been able to do this (barely).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They are merely a priori intuitions according to some.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can only surmise then that you would agree with my general contention that there are things then that are beyond the grasp of the human (in present evolutionary state) mind?</p><p></p><p>Do you believe Galactus' technology would be one of these things?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First, I think we've established that your example of interstellar (and thus intertemporal apparently) has been obtained by at least fictional humans. U_K has already ascribed a tech level for this, and it is well below that which he ascribes to Galactus.</p><p></p><p>Second, the other thing I've been arguing is that some tech is beyond the reach of the mortal ken. Farealmer3 disagrees with me and I can cite at least one example (Korvac) where it appears an augmented mortal in the very, very distant future might have reached equal footing with Galactus.</p><p></p><p>Third, just because an evolutionary advanced "metahuman" if you will can bring a mortal up to speed on a certain technology doesn't mean that the mortal is on equal footing with the metahuman. Even if the metahuman were capable of a total tech transfer to the mortal it follows that the metahuman would eventually outpave the mortal in future technologies because the metahuman is more advanced to begin with.</p><p></p><p>Fourth, your interstellar traveller is purported to be further along the evolutionary curve. This supports the notion of tech levels either being unobtainable entirely or not feasibly attainable within the mortal evolutionary cycle which wholly supports my contention that there are technologies beyond the mortal ken.</p><p></p><p>Am I missing something?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="historian, post: 3761423, member: 13438"] Accepting the idea isn't concommitant to accepting the testimony of every eyewitness claiming to see a visitor irrespective of similarities in their accounts and I quite honestly have no idea whether aliens do or don't exist or whether they have visited this planet. That said, I recognize that there are several arguments based on circumstantial evidence suggesting the high likelihood of intelligent life throughout the Cosmos. My point previously was that our society (in real life) hasn't been able to visit places multiple light-years away. Mortal societies in the MU have been able to do this (barely). They are merely a priori intuitions according to some. I can only surmise then that you would agree with my general contention that there are things then that are beyond the grasp of the human (in present evolutionary state) mind? Do you believe Galactus' technology would be one of these things? First, I think we've established that your example of interstellar (and thus intertemporal apparently) has been obtained by at least fictional humans. U_K has already ascribed a tech level for this, and it is well below that which he ascribes to Galactus. Second, the other thing I've been arguing is that some tech is beyond the reach of the mortal ken. Farealmer3 disagrees with me and I can cite at least one example (Korvac) where it appears an augmented mortal in the very, very distant future might have reached equal footing with Galactus. Third, just because an evolutionary advanced "metahuman" if you will can bring a mortal up to speed on a certain technology doesn't mean that the mortal is on equal footing with the metahuman. Even if the metahuman were capable of a total tech transfer to the mortal it follows that the metahuman would eventually outpave the mortal in future technologies because the metahuman is more advanced to begin with. Fourth, your interstellar traveller is purported to be further along the evolutionary curve. This supports the notion of tech levels either being unobtainable entirely or not feasibly attainable within the mortal evolutionary cycle which wholly supports my contention that there are technologies beyond the mortal ken. Am I missing something? [/QUOTE]
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