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Message: <blockquote data-quote="historian" data-source="post: 3763271" data-attributes="member: 13438">Just trying to put some "apparents" into better focus. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid    :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /> In terms of time it took about 8 minutes maybe.   I also am very clear that, assuming an infinite time resourse, mortals will inevitably reach the pinnacle of technology in option # 1.  In #2 there is no physical limit to reach but likewise mortal technology is boundless.  In #4 mortals might or might not reach the pinnacle of technology depending on the relationship of the physical limit to the cognitive limit.It's only in #3 where mortals are necessarily relegated to less than the pinnacle of technology. But Farealmer, it's not clear that we all agree that smarter beings will always be ahead of stupider beings.In option #4, which is where you are leaning, assuming an infinite amount of time and assuming the cognitive limit of the stupier being is at least equal to the physical limit then at some point the stupider being will catch up.  Depending on how low the physical limit is the stupider being might draw even very early in history.In option #1 assuming an infinite timeline the stupider being will necessarily catch up no matter how high the physical limit is. I have never suggested that I thought Reed or Doom or humanity for that matter would stay static.  That would be idiocy.  Neither do I believe that those innately brighter than Reed and Doom, Galactus included, stay static.  Moreover, I believe that the pace at which they innovate, due to being inherently brighter, is necessarily faster paced than lesser beings like Reed and Doom.If we're in a #2 or a #3 world Reed doesn't catch up.  Reed (or his successor) could catch up in a #4 world if the cognitive limit is higher than the physical limit, but it could take a loooong time.It's only in a #1 world where Reed (or successor) necessarily catches up.Saying that Galactus and the Celestials have no desire to build isn't supportable unless they've reached the physical limit and they know it.  They couldn't have reached the physical limit unless we're in a type #1 or #4 world.Galactus and the Celestials have built and continue to build and do so on a scale dwarfing Marvel's mortal populations.  Galactus' incentive to build, like humanity, are due to self preservation.  He has attempted to devise technology to eliminate his hunger as well as to protect himself from multiversal predators like Abraxas.The Celestials incentives to build might be more esoteric but they are in the process of trying to genetically engineer a perfect race.You surprised me a bit with this one honestly.  I would have bet even money on #1 or #2. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> As you've probably guessed, I'm type #3 which means I likely don't have much of a future as a science fiction writer.This is where we really agree is that there are some things beyond the comprehension of mortals.  Hence, the problem probably lies in the selection of Galactus as representing the higher technology.I agree that his tech is not the limit of the cognitive peak.  I don't believe it's the physical peak for that matter either.</blockquote>

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