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<blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 3208270" data-attributes="member: 35788">I realize this isn't from a rules perspective but from one of logic, so please take that into consideration:The fact that you gain your STR x 1.5 on a two handed attack seems to reason that the two-handed attack is including the offhand attack as part of the primary attack.How many times have we heard the rationale that the two handed attack is balanced with TWF because a person attack with a greataxe gets 1.5 x their STR while the TWF gets 1 x STR + .5 x STR = 1.5 STR?Personally, while the rules might not really say it ... I would say that unless a character is a monk or has improved unarmed strike that by using a two-handed strike they are already using their ability to do an offhand strike as part of it.Like I said, this is an argument based on logic, not necessarily the rules.&nbsp; I understand that.Now, since the OP said that the fighter has IUS ... that muddies the water.&nbsp; I'd still want to say that they used up their offhand stirke as part of the two-handed weapon strike.&nbsp; But I'm less sure than in the case w/o IUS.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nonlethal Force, post: 3208270, member: 35788"] I realize this isn't from a rules perspective but from one of logic, so please take that into consideration: The fact that you gain your STR x 1.5 on a two handed attack seems to reason that the two-handed attack is including the offhand attack as part of the primary attack. How many times have we heard the rationale that the two handed attack is balanced with TWF because a person attack with a greataxe gets 1.5 x their STR while the TWF gets 1 x STR + .5 x STR = 1.5 STR? Personally, while the rules might not really say it ... I would say that unless a character is a monk or has improved unarmed strike that by using a two-handed strike they are already using their ability to do an offhand strike as part of it. Like I said, this is an argument based on logic, not necessarily the rules. I understand that. Now, since the OP said that the fighter has IUS ... that muddies the water. I'd still want to say that they used up their offhand stirke as part of the two-handed weapon strike. But I'm less sure than in the case w/o IUS. [/QUOTE]

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