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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3211361" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>I've said all along that it depends on how one reads 'fighting this way'.</p><p></p><p>To me, 'fighting this way' doesn't mean 'A or B'; it means A, and the consequences of A are B and C.</p><p></p><p>If you are wielding a second weapon in your off hand, then B/ you can make an extra attack, and C/ you take penalties.</p><p></p><p>But that conclusion is dependent on that reading of 'fighting this way'.</p><p></p><p>I personally don't feel that the reading of 'fighting this way' as 'make an extra attack' is as strong. Making an extra attack doesn't sound like a 'way' of fighting, whereas wielding a second weapon does.</p><p></p><p>But if someone reads 'fighting this way' in that fashion, then the conclusion is that TWF penalties result from the extra attack.</p><p></p><p>I have never disputed that TWF penalties result from the extra attack <em>if 'fighting this way' is read in that fashion</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The fact that he's keeping both options open.</p><p></p><p>It takes less attention to control one weapon than two. Looking for openings that one weapon might exploit is a straightforward task; looking for openings that one weapon might exploit, and for openings that a second weapon might exploit, and for openings that either might exploit, is more complicated, and can lead to missing opportunities for one while thinking about the other. How is this modelled in D&D's abstract combat system? Extra attacks are available to you, but all attacks take a penalty.</p><p></p><p>The model makes complete sense to me, while the 'Penalties only if you use the extra attack' reading doesn't; hence, I favour the 'wielding a second weapon' reading.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no reference in the character creation rules that state the character must have an eye colour, but one assumes he or she does. I can only assume it is a decision that comes under the 'and so on' in the penultimate paragraph of PHB p6.</p><p></p><p>There is a mechanical effect of handedness (since one's weaker or less dexterous hand (usually the left) incurs penalties), so it's necessary to know what it is for a given character.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3211361, member: 1656"] I've said all along that it depends on how one reads 'fighting this way'. To me, 'fighting this way' doesn't mean 'A or B'; it means A, and the consequences of A are B and C. If you are wielding a second weapon in your off hand, then B/ you can make an extra attack, and C/ you take penalties. But that conclusion is dependent on that reading of 'fighting this way'. I personally don't feel that the reading of 'fighting this way' as 'make an extra attack' is as strong. Making an extra attack doesn't sound like a 'way' of fighting, whereas wielding a second weapon does. But if someone reads 'fighting this way' in that fashion, then the conclusion is that TWF penalties result from the extra attack. I have never disputed that TWF penalties result from the extra attack [i]if 'fighting this way' is read in that fashion[/i]. The fact that he's keeping both options open. It takes less attention to control one weapon than two. Looking for openings that one weapon might exploit is a straightforward task; looking for openings that one weapon might exploit, and for openings that a second weapon might exploit, and for openings that either might exploit, is more complicated, and can lead to missing opportunities for one while thinking about the other. How is this modelled in D&D's abstract combat system? Extra attacks are available to you, but all attacks take a penalty. The model makes complete sense to me, while the 'Penalties only if you use the extra attack' reading doesn't; hence, I favour the 'wielding a second weapon' reading. There's no reference in the character creation rules that state the character must have an eye colour, but one assumes he or she does. I can only assume it is a decision that comes under the 'and so on' in the penultimate paragraph of PHB p6. There is a mechanical effect of handedness (since one's weaker or less dexterous hand (usually the left) incurs penalties), so it's necessary to know what it is for a given character. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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