Improving monsters...a little help?

[Mystery Man]

This has always been a problem with me and I aim to get past it.


I want to take a Vrock from 10 HD to 15 HD..

What else goes up besides the hitpoints?

Thanks.

 

[Magic Slim]

+5 BAB (outsiders have fighter BAB progression)
Increased Saves
Skill points (8 + Int mod) X 5
2 more feats (at 12 HD and 15 HD)
Becomes Huge (+8 str, -2 dex, +4 con, +3 natural armor, -1 AC, -1 Attacks)
Claw damage goes from 2d6 to 3d6
Bite damage goes from 1d8 to 2d6
Talon damage goes from 1d6 to 1d8

I think that's the jist of it.

Slim

 

[gariig]

What Magic Slim said

 

[Mystery Man]

+5 BAB (outsiders have fighter BAB progression)
Increased Saves

cool thanks!

On the BAB, where in the book does it give this info for future reference and where do I find what to make the saves.

 

[Magic Slim]

cool thanks!

On the BAB, where in the book does it give this info for future reference and where do I find what to make the saves.

You should read the ImprovingMonster.rtf file of the 3.5 SRD, you get everything in there.

Also, the info probably is in the Monster Manual (in the beginning)... that's where it was in the old MM (don't have 3.5)

Slim

 

[Mystery Man]

You should read the ImprovingMonster.rtf file of the 3.5 SRD, you get everything in there.

Also, the info probably is in the Monster Manual (in the beginning)... that's where it was in the old MM (don't have 3.5)

Slim

Using 3.5

Check me?

VROCK (from large to huge)
Huge Outsider (Chaotic, Extraplanar, Evil)
Hit Dice: 15d8+135 (225? hp)
Initiative: +5 (Improved Init)
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares), fly 50 ft. (average)
Armor Class: 26 (–2 size, +1 Dex, +15 natural), touch 9, flat-footed 25
Base Attack/Grapple: +15/+25
Attack: Claw +25 melee (3d6+10)
Full Attack: 2 claws +25 melee (3d6+10) and bite +23? melee (2d6+5)
and 2 talons +23? melee (1d8+5)
Space/Reach: 15 ft./15 ft.
Special Attacks: Dance of ruin, spell-like abilities, spores, stunning
screech, summon demon
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 10/good, darkvision 60 ft., immunity
to electricity and poison, resistance to acid 10, cold 10,
and fire 10, spell resistance 17, telepathy 100 ft.
Saves: Fort +14, Ref +9, Will +10 <-----Uncertain
Abilities: Str 31, Dex 12, Con 29, Int 14, Wis 16, Cha 16
Skills: Concentration +25, Diplomacy +5, Hide +21, Intimidate
+16, Knowledge (any one) +15, Listen +34, Move
Silently +20, Search +15, Sense Motive +16, Spellcraft
+20, Spot +29, Survival +3 (+5 following tracks)
Feats: Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Multiattack, Power Attack, Improved Initiative, Flyby Attack
Environment: A chaotic evil-aligned plane
Organization: Solitary, pair, gang (3–5), or squad (6–10)
Challenge Rating: 11
Treasure: Standard
Alignment: Always chaotic evil
Advancement: 11–14 HD (Large); 15–30 HD (Huge)
Level Adjustment: +8

The question marks are where I was uncertain, and I didn't even calculate the saves yet. Still confused there..

 

[Camarath]

The question marks are where I was uncertain, and I didn't even calculate the saves yet. Still confused there..

I think the Vrock's avarage HP would be 203.
The attacks look right BAB+15 Str+10 and -2 on secondary natural attacks.
Its saves are all base +9 so Fort +18 Ref +10 Will +12.
It should also gets 2 ability score increases (best chocies would be Con and Str).
The Stunning Screech DC becomes 26 (10 + 1/2 HD (8) + con mod (8)).
The Dance of Ruin and Telekinesis DCs becomes 21 (10 + 1/2 HD (8) + Cha Mod (3)).
Also make sure you added the right amount of skill points ((8+ 2 Int)x5 levels) or 50.

 

[jabberwocky]

The attacks look right BAB+15 Str+10 and -2 on secondary natural attacks.

Don't the attacks also get a -2 size modifier?

 

[Camarath]

Don't the attacks also get a -2 size modifier?

Thank you I forgot about that. So the attacks should be primary +23 /secondary +21 (or +24/+22 if he puts that point into Str).
Also I do not think his +8 Size Modifier to grapple was added either that should be a +33 (or +34 with Str boost).

 

[Camarath]

Also now that I look at it I think his armor does not add up right either. I think it should be 24 (base 10 -2 size +1 Dex + 15 Natural (11 original +3 size increase)).