D&D General Improving Ritual Caster and Pact of The Tome?

[doctorbadwolf]

Any ideas? I do like getting a bunch of cantrips and some ritual spells so Tome isnt that bad, just doesnt feel very TOME to me.

The feat...i guess is fine but damn.


Maybe a list of spells that you can learn as rituals when you take the feat that arent normally rituals?

Maybe the pact does the same but also learn rituals that ypu can only use as rituals like the original?

 

[mellored]

Ritual caster should be higher than level 1.
Like, spell level equal to your proficiency bonus.

Tome seems plenty good to me, assuming you read it as being able to choose after a short rest. Need to fix something? Short rest and grab Mending. Going up against invisible creatures? Grab stary Wisp. Thirsty in a desert? Elementalis for Becon Water. In addition to Guidance of course.

 

[Zardnaar]

Pact of tome is fine. The problem is its second "upgraded" version is lacking vs chain and blade.

Probably let the upgrade version add rituals like the 2014 warlock or let it function like a wizards spellbook.

Warlock used to be best ritual caster. Kind of stepped on the wizards toes though.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Ritual caster should be higher than level 1.
Like, spell level equal to your proficiency bonus.

Tome seems plenty good to me, assuming you read it as being able to choose after a short rest. Need to fix something? Short rest and grab Mending. Going up against invisible creatures? Grab stary Wisp. Thirsty in a desert? Elementalis for Becon Water. In addition to Guidance of course.

I dont bother with guidance, but yeah that is a good point. like i said, it is mechanically good, it just doesnt feel like a set of benefits that come from havinf a special magic book, to me.

For the feat...i ight switch back to the original version. It works fine with the new rules, and it makes a thief rogue with that and expertise Arcana very distinct from proper spellcasters.

 

[Benjamin Olson]

I think the original sin of 5e ritual spellcasting, and feats and abilities that grant it, is that there just aren't that many ritual spells available, and many that are available don't play very well as rituals or were allowed to have the ritual tag simply because they are not very useful or powerful spells. So more good ritual spells is the first step.

The Ritual Caster feat should give you some free level 1 spells, but then just let you copy any ritual spell on any level into your book whether it is of a level normally available to someone of your level or not. 5e is way too concerned about gating high level magic behind character levels, but none of the ritual spells will break the game if someone gets them a few levels early.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I think the original sin of 5e ritual spellcasting, and feats and abilities that grant it, is that there just aren't that many ritual spells available, and many that are available don't play very well as rituals or were allowed to have the ritual tag simply because they are not very useful or powerful spells. So more good ritual spells is the first step.

The Ritual Caster feat should give you some free level 1 spells, but then just let you copy any ritual spell on any level into your book whether it is of a level normally available to someone of your level or not. 5e is way too concerned about gating high level magic behind character levels, but none of the ritual spells will break the game if someone gets them a few levels early.

I think thematically it makes sense to have them level gated. Otherwise agreed.