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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 3978820" data-attributes="member: 151">Why is it inconceivable that, as far as Rich Baker knew, this was the case?  It's equally possible that he's speaking from his own anecdotal experience or that he's speaking based on conflating 30 years of gaming.  Neither TSR not WotC were terribly consistent about this sort of thing to begin with.  When you factor in stuff like the idea that myths were, in fact, MYTHS...it gets murkier. Just doing a quick google search, I find <a href="http://www.grey-company.org/Circle/seldarine/intro.htm" target="_blank">different</a><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/Corellon_takes_the_eye_of_Grumsh.jpg" target="_blank"> accounts</a> from <a href="http://www.orcs.ca/orcsmain/roleplaydndgruumsh.html" target="_blank">different</a> <a href="http://www.geddon.org/index.php/Gruumsh" target="_blank">sources</a>, regardless of whether or not <a href="http://planewalking.dungeons.ru/outer/acheron/acheron.htm" target="_blank">they use</a> the <a href="http://www.orcs.ca/orcsmain/roleplaydndfrgods.html" target="_blank">core mythology</a> or their <a href="http://www.geocities.com/tattooneedle/hyborean" target="_blank">own version</a>.Even a cursory inspection shows that most of these entries take it as a given that Corellon put out Gruumsh's eye.  This may date back to 2e, when it was pretty much made canon, but it was raised as a possiblity in AD&D.  Given that the entry was a semi-pedantic account about it from an orc perspecitve, I'd assume they were covering it up, too.  Either way, there has been no consistent treatment of the subject until late 2e into 3e.  I'm not really sure how you could be sure what the majority of AD&D players thought, anyhow.   I can say that for myself, I always thought this to be the case, but really it wasn't much of an issue until 3e, since it rarely came up in 1e for my games and we skipped 2e entirely.[spoiler=Gruumsh with TWO eyes]<img src="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/row_gallery/86614.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />[/spoiler]Gruumsh losing his eye to Corellon[spoiler]<img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/4/4b/200px-Corellon_takes_the_eye_of_Grumsh.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />[/spoiler][spoiler]Gruumsh, Old School<img src="http://www.superunicorn.com/erik/deegruumsh.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />[spoiler]Gruumsh, the new hotness[spoiler]<img src="http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/images/c/c3/Gruumsh01.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />[/spoiler]heck, if anything I can't help but notice that every picture gives Gruumsh a different weapon to use, which would probably bother me more, if such things actually bothered me.[/spoiler][/spoiler]</blockquote>

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