D&D General In Heaven the Cooks are French... (Setting Thoughts)

Honestly, the tropes are not necessarily a bad thing. It makes it easy to run things as a DM if you introduce something and the players immediately understand what you're going for.

On the other hand, when you want to avoid them, I've found it best to just not subvert a trope, but to avoid them so there isn't any inherent bias. On that same note, I routinely subvert tropes when I'm actively trying to create a scenario where it takes a bit more than simple observation to come to a conclusion.
 

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Honestly, the tropes are not necessarily a bad thing. It makes it easy to run things as a DM if you introduce something and the players immediately understand what you're going for.

On the other hand, when you want to avoid them, I've found it best to just not subvert a trope, but to avoid them so there isn't any inherent bias. On that same note, I routinely subvert tropes when I'm actively trying to create a scenario where it takes a bit more than simple observation to come to a conclusion.
Oh, no. I'm not saying they're a -bad- thing. Just that they are a thing.

And asking: How can we switch up those tropes in different ways to create a new vibe or structure?

And the corollary question: What's the most cursed version of it we could do?
 

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