Incense of Meditation

[Rkhet]

SRD:

Incense of Meditation: This small rectangular block of sweet smelling incense is visually indistinguishable from nonmagical incense until lit. When it is burning, the special fragrance and pearly-hued smoke of this special incense are recognizable by anyone making a DC 15 Spellcraft check. When a divine spellcaster lights a block of incense of meditation and then spends 8 hours praying and meditating nearby, the incense enables him to prepare all his spells as though affected by the Maximize Spell feat. However, all the spells prepared in this way are at their normal level, not at three levels higher (as with the regular metamagic feat).

Each block of incense burns for 8 hours, and the effects persist for 24 hours.

Moderate enchantment; CL 7th; Craft Wondrous Item, Maximize Spell, bless; Price 4,900 gp;Weight 1 lb.



Can a mystic theurge burn this incense and have it apply to his arcane spells? It enables him to prepare all his spells as though affected by the Maximize Spell feat - it doesn't say divine spells only, though that is probably the intent.

 

[Pinotage]

Is says 'divine' spellcaster in the item description, so I'd say divine spells only.

Pinotage

 

[mikebr99]

Is says 'divine' spellcaster in the item description, so I'd say divine spells only.

Pinotage

I'll 2nd that...

Mike

 

[Scion]

it says all of his prepared spells, so it is all of his prepared spells. You just need at least 1 level of divine caster in order to take advantage of it. Interesting

 

[Infiniti2000]

it says all of his prepared spells, so it is all of his prepared spells. You just need at least 1 level of divine caster in order to take advantage of it. Interesting

Sure, but all of the spell that take advantage of it need to be obtained through prayer. If you allow your cleric/wizard to obtain his arcane spells through prayer, then sure, maximize those as well.

Anyway, an often overlooked point about this item for clerics is that it only maximizes those healing spells that are prepared. If you spontaneously convert curative magic (or injurative* magic), those spells are not maximized.

* Is that a word? Doubt it, but I like it.

 

[Scion]

Sure, but all of the spell that take advantage of it need to be obtained through prayer. If you allow your cleric/wizard to obtain his arcane spells through prayer, then sure, maximize those as well.

It doesnt say, 'spells prepared through prayer' or 'this praying counts for your hour of meditation for regaining spells'. Just that you need to meditate and pray for 8 hours before you memorize. Last I checked, anyone can pray and meditate, although only divine casters may activate this item it doesnt say it only works for their divine parts.

Anyway, an often overlooked point about this item for clerics is that it only maximizes those healing spells that are prepared.

Where are you getting this from? It says, 'all of his spells'.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Scion, when you read "prepared in this way" how do you interpret that? Do you interpret it as obviously intended, i.e. prayed for, or something totally different than the item description, i.e. memorization. Not only do I think the item description is clear, but I think we all agree on the intent of the item. Do you just argue the description as being vague or do you say that the intent is for it to work for wizard spells, too?

 

[Scion]

I dont care about intent directly, I care about use and wording. In my own games I can use intent and interpretation all I like, but here I want to know what it actually says and does, then I can make a ruling.

You prepare your spells over the course of X amount of time (generally an hour). The 8 hours of praying and meditating before hand seem to work in a similar way that resting does in a normal sense. Do you allow people to get their spells while sleeping?

I think that the item is poorly worded if they wanted it to only work on divine spells, let alone if they wanted it to only work on divine healing spells.

Again, where do you get the healing spells only part? am I just missing a line somewhere?

Edit: as an example, in games I run ray of enfeeblement is a great spell to have prepared because it can not only hamper foes but it can also save a comrades life from certain debilitating poisons and from shadows. I think that it is a great use of the spell and opens a up a lot of interesting options, instead of it just being a random attack spell. It may have been 'intended' to not work that way, but why should I care?

 

[Infiniti2000]

I dont care about intent directly, I care about use and wording. In my own games I can use intent and interpretation all I like, but here I want to know what it actually says and does, then I can make a ruling.

I just like to know from what angle people are arguing. It makes a big difference to me, so I ask. Most people I can tell, but you seem to have a protective field about you.

You prepare your spells over the course of X amount of time (generally an hour). The 8 hours of praying and meditating before hand seem to work in a similar way that resting does in a normal sense. Do you allow people to get their spells while sleeping?

What do you mean, "seem to work?" Can you be a little more clear in where you get the idea that praying/meditating with the incense means you don't have to sleep (for a wizard)? I have no idea what your question is in reference to as I'm quite confused by this comment. This seems to be the only point in rebuttal to my post, so until it's cleared up, I tend think my points stand.

I think that the item is poorly worded if they wanted it to only work on divine spells, let alone if they wanted it to only work on divine healing spells.

I never said healing only. That comment I made was in reference to a cleric using this item and that spells that he spontaneously converts to healing (or inflicting) are NOT maximized. That holy smite, however, as well as any prepared healing spells are maximized.

Again, where do you get the healing spells only part? am I just missing a line somewhere?

You're misunderstanding the example of my previous post. Hopefully, I've cleared that up.

 

[dcollins]

I'll also say divine spells only, those that come from "praying and meditating".