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D&D 5E Initial D&D Next Releases Showing Up on Barnes & Noble Website

M.L. Martin

Adventurer
Well, it looks like the first information has started to leak out to bookstores, as the following products can be found on barnesandnoble.com

D&D Starter Set, releasing July 15, 2014, list price $19.95

D&D Player's Handbook, releasing August 19, 2014, list price $49.95

That's a pretty pricey Player's Handbook. Not out of line for RPGs nowadays, but if they're sticking with the 3-book model, with all the books priced the same, that could add up awfully quickly.
 

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Obryn

Hero
There is nothing good or reassuring about either of these.

"Starter set" @ $20 implies useless crap like the 3e or 4e Essentials "box sets," both of which were awful. I'm hoping (though doubting) it'd be more along the lines of the new Gamma World, which actually was a complete and playable game - but much pricier than $20.

The PHB being $50 implies there will be a DMG and an MM, each of which will also be $50. $150 MSRP is very much over my auto-buy threshold, and we're back to a world where I'll want to review it before buying it out of hand.

It's speculation, sure, but it's consistent with history...
 


D'karr

Adventurer
If the PHB is a monster sized book with all the optional rules in it, I could see myself spending the cash for it. If the phb is just as any other phb, I will definitely be skipping this at this time.

By far, my favorite RPG is Shadowrun and I've held myself from buying its fifth edition mostly because of cost. I don't see the value of yet another edition of that game at the current price. I might find myself on the same situation with D&D's fifth edition.
 

Plaguescarred

First Post
Glad to see 5E will have a Starter Set with a simpler and cheaper point of entry. I hope it will be sold at places like Walmart as well.

The PHB's price is a little high compared to what we'ved been used toi agree. The 3E PHB was going for $19.95 and the 4E PHB was going for $34.95.
 
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D'karr

Adventurer
Also with a release of August 19th this means that GenCon will be the only place to get this if you want to use it during GenCon. I'm sure the WotC booth will be happily selling you these. So discounted price will go out the window, if you want it for GenCon.

I might spend the $20 on the starter set, I can always find something useful out of those, even the terrible ones. My holy grail for starter sets was the Pathfinder one, and I don't even play Pathfinder. That is what a starter set should be like, but of course I would not expect to see one like it for $20.
 

Mistwell

Legend
There is nothing good or reassuring about either of these.

"Starter set" @ $20 implies useless crap like the 3e or 4e Essentials "box sets," both of which were awful. I'm hoping (though doubting) it'd be more along the lines of the new Gamma World, which actually was a complete and playable game - but much pricier than $20.

See I find it a very hopeful sign, as I am really hoping for a Basic game (no feats, no backgrounds, four races, four classes, basic classic spells, several levels completely playable out of the box, compatible with the advanced game).
 


See I find it a very hopeful sign, as I am really hoping for a Basic game (no feats, no backgrounds, four races, four classes, basic classic spells, several levels completely playable out of the box, compatible with the advanced game).

That would be really nice, but WOTC's track record with these boxes has not been good. Dragon Age and Pathfinder both have great intro box sets. I hope WOTC learned something from them.
 

Plaguescarred

First Post
To summarize Basic D&D on this article;

[h=3]The Basic Rules[/h]The basic rules represent the starting point for the game.

Skills aren't part of the game

Each class has a default specialty

deity for a cleric, tradition for wizard, and so on—won't appear.

race and class as choices, though without multiclassing

Quick to start play, whether creating characters, reading an adventure, or rolling up a dungeon.

covers levels 1 to 10 and includes an adventure.
 

Obryn

Hero
See I find it a very hopeful sign, as I am really hoping for a Basic game (no feats, no backgrounds, four races, four classes, basic classic spells, several levels completely playable out of the box, compatible with the advanced game).
The $20 price point is giving me flashbacks to how WotC pooped the bed with the 3e and 4e box sets, both of which were pretty terrible. If it's good, I'll gladly eat my words.

I'm also hoping the $50 book is a complete game, instead of just one piece of a $150 game.
 

gweinel

Explorer
$50 for a PH is a terrible high price for my taste and wallet making me really angry as a customer. However, if the price include DMG (like Pathfinder), something i don't find very likely, then of course my view will change.
 
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N'raac

First Post
Well, it looks like the first information has started to leak out to bookstores, as the following products can be found on barnesandnoble.com

D&D Starter Set, releasing July 15, 2014, list price $19.95

D&D Player's Handbook, releasing August 19, 2014, list price $49.95

That's a pretty pricey Player's Handbook. Not out of line for RPGs nowadays, but if they're sticking with the 3-book model, with all the books priced the same, that could add up awfully quickly.

To be fair, preorder drops them to $17.99 and $37.96, respectively. Seems like less margin in the Starter Set (consistent with it being designed for mass marketing) and much more for the PHB (consistent with the traditional niche market game store markups).

Someone mentioned 3e at $19,95 and 4e at $34.95. 5e at $49.95 is the same increase between editions.
 

Gareman

First Post
Price Point

Hate to break it you, but the original $35 Player's Handbook for third edition, adjusted for inflation, is now around $48. That's reflected in the reprint pricing as well. $50 is your new $35 and don't expect an enormous Pathfinder style combo book. That's just economics.
 

gweinel

Explorer
Hate to break it you, but the original $35 Player's Handbook for third edition, adjusted for inflation, is now around $48. That's reflected in the reprint pricing as well. $50 is your new $35 and don't expect an enormous Pathfinder style combo book. That's just economics.

Original 3rd edition PH had $20 not $35.
 

M.L. Martin

Adventurer
Hate to break it you, but the original $35 Player's Handbook for third edition, adjusted for inflation, is now around $48. That's reflected in the reprint pricing as well. $50 is your new $35 and don't expect an enormous Pathfinder style combo book. That's just economics.

Well, the 3E PH and 3.5 PH were $30, not $35. :) The $20 price doesn't count, really--that was explicitly a bargain or loss leader price for early adopters to convince them to buy the books.

The 4E PH was $35; using the government inflation calculator, that would be $38 in 2014 dollars. (And the $30 for the 3.0 PH list price would be $40.) Now, book prices do appear to have risen more sharply than inflation, so maybe $50 is the proper base price.

But, there's another factor at well. Next is being met with more indifference and skepticism than any prior WotC edition, from my observations. If they're hoping for broad adoption, maybe cutting the margins a bit thinner would have been a good idea? I'm skeptical/curious at this point, but a $50 price point is too high for me to buy sight unseen, even if Amazon takes it down to $33 or so.
 

Blackwarder

Adventurer
That's the dead tree version price, we don't know what kind of pricing the electronic versions will be...

but it I agree that 150$ for is a lot.

Warder
 

Gareman

First Post
But, there's another factor at well. Next is being met with more indifference and skepticism than any prior WotC edition, from my observations. If they're hoping for broad adoption, maybe cutting the margins a bit thinner would have been a good idea? I'm skeptical/curious at this point, but a $50 price point is too high for me to buy sight unseen, even if Amazon takes it down to $33 or so.

From a retailer perspective, here's how it usually works: Edition is met with skepticism. On release, player's from every edition come out of the woodwork to buy the new edition, to see what it's all about. Sales, by the way, are epic for us, as even 4E was delivered to my store on a pallet. For a few months, retailers get really excited about RPGs again. If the edition is good, a strong subset of customers return for more. But so we're clear, ridiculous numbers of people will buy the core book out of the gate, *especially* those who claim skepticism. We have opaque bags for them, so nobody has to know.

As an aside, not releasing this edition as a complete box set helps brick and mortar game stores tremendously, since as you may recall, Amazon sold it practically as a loss leader. And as a store owner, may I suggest you take this opportunity to pay a few dollars more at your local FLGS as an indication you would like to see RPGs not die there? As a player myself, I feel we're headed towards the chit and counter wargamer model if we can't get new blood into the game (what good stores do).

And sorry about the math, I should have used the $30 pice point instead of $35. That would put the book at $4, adjusted for inflation. The rest, publishers can tell you, is likely related to the increased cost of printing. $50 is the new gaming entry price point though, for board games, miniature games (per player), and RPGs (because Pathfinder).
 

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