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<blockquote data-quote="Adrian Usher" data-source="post: 2559642"><p><strong>Children aboard</strong></p><p></p><p>I wholeheartedly agree with Kathryn's and Nihil's postings. They said things much better than I could have done.</p><p></p><p>Kathryn_aka_kat wrote:</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Nihil wrote:</p><p></p><p></p><p>And as to saying "Why can't I play a 3-year-old child, other people are playing demons and devils and it's allowed"? </p><p>Well first of all people who think they absolutely have to pretend their character is The Mighty Demon Lord Whatshisname because it gives them an ego trip don't rank very high in my esteem. </p><p>And second, it's flawed reasoning, a fallacy of argumentation. It's like saying "My neighbor is unashamedly beating his wife, so why am *I* not allowed to rob a bank?"</p><p></p><p>Yanou (and everyone with child characters out there), you have made your bed, now lie in it. We all agree, I believe, that a character who is a minor has all the same rights as an adult characters under the CoC, meaning he has the right not to be abused just for being there. </p><p></p><p>But creating and playing a child (or any other sort of perky or nauseatingly cute) character in an attempt to force other players to have their characters fawn over and coddle said child is annoying. And with the recent influx of underage child characters to the tavern, yes I am getting annoyed.</p><p></p><p>Everyone has the right for their character to be respected OOC and IC (unless said character is patently ridiculous or distracting). But trying to force emotions and reaction on other people by playing the "cute" card stinks of Mary Sue-ism.</p><p></p><p>What is a Mary Sue? There are several good essays on the internet in regard to this monstrosity, but try here:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://enterprise.mathematik.uni-essen.de/~bastian/Ranma/MarySue.html" target="_blank">http://enterprise.mathematik.uni-essen.de/~bastian/Ranma/MarySue.html</a> </p><p>"Self-Insertion and Mary-Sue-ism"</p><p></p><p>I realize this thread has diverted from the original topic about child-abusers IC. But we all seem to agree that graphic violence, "baby eating demons" or child abuse is something we do not want to see played out online, not even for IC reasons - there's such a thing as bad taste. So the only thing left to discuss is </p><p>a) why do these things happen, and </p><p>b) what to do about it? </p><p></p><p>Given the Freedom-of-Destiny clause in the ISRP rooms, any on-screen child abuse means there are always two guilty parties: The abuser, and the player who created a child and <em>allows</em> it to be abused. </p><p></p><p>So for myself, I will report stuff I see and feel grossly inappropriate in the future, but to judge from the comments on this threat it's not worth it to play out an attack on the abuser to save the poor kid, because then <em>I</em> run the risk of being labeled a harasser and trouble maker. Damned it you do, damned if you don't. :banghead:</p><p></p><p>Peer pressure is probably the only way to go. In moderation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Adrian Usher, post: 2559642"] [b]Children aboard[/b] I wholeheartedly agree with Kathryn's and Nihil's postings. They said things much better than I could have done. Kathryn_aka_kat wrote: Nihil wrote: And as to saying "Why can't I play a 3-year-old child, other people are playing demons and devils and it's allowed"? Well first of all people who think they absolutely have to pretend their character is The Mighty Demon Lord Whatshisname because it gives them an ego trip don't rank very high in my esteem. And second, it's flawed reasoning, a fallacy of argumentation. It's like saying "My neighbor is unashamedly beating his wife, so why am *I* not allowed to rob a bank?" Yanou (and everyone with child characters out there), you have made your bed, now lie in it. We all agree, I believe, that a character who is a minor has all the same rights as an adult characters under the CoC, meaning he has the right not to be abused just for being there. But creating and playing a child (or any other sort of perky or nauseatingly cute) character in an attempt to force other players to have their characters fawn over and coddle said child is annoying. And with the recent influx of underage child characters to the tavern, yes I am getting annoyed. Everyone has the right for their character to be respected OOC and IC (unless said character is patently ridiculous or distracting). But trying to force emotions and reaction on other people by playing the "cute" card stinks of Mary Sue-ism. What is a Mary Sue? There are several good essays on the internet in regard to this monstrosity, but try here: [url]http://enterprise.mathematik.uni-essen.de/~bastian/Ranma/MarySue.html[/url] "Self-Insertion and Mary-Sue-ism" I realize this thread has diverted from the original topic about child-abusers IC. But we all seem to agree that graphic violence, "baby eating demons" or child abuse is something we do not want to see played out online, not even for IC reasons - there's such a thing as bad taste. So the only thing left to discuss is a) why do these things happen, and b) what to do about it? Given the Freedom-of-Destiny clause in the ISRP rooms, any on-screen child abuse means there are always two guilty parties: The abuser, and the player who created a child and [I]allows[/I] it to be abused. So for myself, I will report stuff I see and feel grossly inappropriate in the future, but to judge from the comments on this threat it's not worth it to play out an attack on the abuser to save the poor kid, because then [I]I[/I] run the risk of being labeled a harasser and trouble maker. Damned it you do, damned if you don't. :banghead: Peer pressure is probably the only way to go. In moderation. [/QUOTE]
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