Interesting post over at Grognardia today regarding Gail Gygax

Unless there is an IP ownership dispute, people should leave her to do as she will. It certainly appears that she is doing what most fans would want anyway, which is getting things on track to be released in a proper and timely manner.

Eh? I don't believe that's what most fans want. They want it released under the system that Gygax claimed was a near perfect fit for his vision no? I'm pretty sure there's a direct quote of Gygax saying something of that nature and why he went with C&C as opposed to his own game system no?
 

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I'm taking a "wait-and-see" attitude on this one. Certainly Gail Gygax, in virtue of her standing as Gary's devoted wife and now bereaved widow, has earned a little slack. Few people could honestly claim to have been so devoted to Gary and facilitating Gary's pursuits.

On the other hand, I suppose I have become a bit cynical, especially over the past year. So if a simple answer is not forthcoming to a foundationally basic question like "What system is Castle Zagyg going to be released for" then I calculate about a 95% chance that the answer is going to be something miserable that totally POs the existing fans. Hopefully that's an unscientific and erroneous calculation. But my gut feeling is that if it were an answer I was going to like, I would have gotten that answer by now.

The worst case scenario is that Gygax Games releases CZ for LA in an ill-conceived attempt to circle the IP wagons, or for 4E under the tragically mistaken view that "Gary's slavish fans will buy it anyway, plus we'll score some of the new kids." Either way I think CZ would end up being a flop (I certainly wouldn't buy it, speaking purely for myself). I'd much rather it never be released than to have it mishandled... I'd rather always dream about how cool the Black Reservoir was than to see it and find it "meh".

Still, the fact remains that Gail Gygax absolutely has the right, and moreso than anybody else in this particular regard, to be considered "innocent until proven guilty", to borrow a somewhat inapposite phrase. Even those of us who are used to seeing Gary kicked around by practically everybody can rest assured, given her status and reputation, that Gail won't deliberately mishandle Gary's literary legacy.*

* - For those who flame first and comprehend later, I'm speaking of the "literary legacy" as a separate issue from the IP. The matter of the IP is totally cut-and-dried: it belongs to Gail Gygax and she can do whatever she wants with it. Obviously the whole discussion makes no sense without drawing that distinction.
 

Right now it might be smart if Gail has them publish the other works using as much of a system-neutral approach as possible, such as was done with the most recent "Wilderlands of High Fantasy". That way it is easily convertible, whatever your preference. I have a feeling it might use a new version of the Lejendary Adventures system.
 

I'm finding these critiques of Mrs. Gygax a little hard to take. If Gary had wanted TLG to have exclusive rights to any of his IP he could easily have arranged that before his unfortunate passing. Gail Gygax has been Gary's loving and devoted wife for a very long time. For anyone to suggest that she has less right to decide what happens to Gary's possessions, including his gaming IP, than a bunch of guys he hung out with at conventions and published a few gaming books with is absolutely ludicrous. And the idea that a bunch of nameless internet fans have a right to know what arrangements Gary made with his wife for the disposition of his estate after his death is even more ridiculous.
You mirror my thoughts on the matter. I find the majority of the "discussion" borderline sickening. I usually get annoyed with some fan's sense of entitlement to other's creative properties in general, but to even hint that Gygax's widow might somehow "fail" at managing her husband's intellectual property . . . "get a life" doesn't even begin to cover it . . .
 

It's just business.

Perhaps, the late great Gygax cut TLG too many slacks, or have gotten too personal with the company to overlook what they did to his Castle Zagyg franchise. If it is in Gail and Gygax estate's interest to find better professionals to license the franchise, then so be it.

TLG should consider this as a wake-up call to improve their own business model, IMHO. It should also be a wake-up call for all RPG industry despite hard economic times.

I would agree with you if they were moving to better/more experienced people, but they aren't. All Mongoose does is final layout and print it, then put it into distribution. The two guys she has gone two are far less experienced than TLG.

So I am betting that they will be slower than TLG ever was.
 

One thing people have to remember is this. Gail met Gary in 1983. Thus Gail saw all the dirty things that happened to Gary thanks to the hostile takeover. The people calling her "Lorraine Williams 2.0" are really making the basest of insults. Anybody who professes to care about Gary is really insulting him and his memory by making such statements.

In regards to that too, I think one of the things Gail is or will be doing is making sure the property is very protected before even beginning to work on design. Think of it this way. A lot of authors or authors estates have really be screwed over. The Tolkien Estate has no control over who makes movies and games based on JRRT's work. Winnie-the-Pooh is a horrible mess of rights and it seems the family doesn't have a lot of control anymore. It only takes a single bad contract to ruin things. And Gary was not the kind of guy to relinquish control or "give away" his stuff.

As far as a plan, it could even be as simple as "Gail, do what you think is right, regardless of anything I've said or any deal I've made". He really loved Gail.

The worst case scenario is that Gygax Games releases CZ for LA in an ill-conceived attempt to circle the IP wagons, or for 4E under the tragically mistaken view that "Gary's slavish fans will buy it anyway, plus we'll score some of the new kids." Either way I think CZ would end up being a flop (I certainly wouldn't buy it, speaking purely for myself). I'd much rather it never be released than to have it mishandled... I'd rather always dream about how cool the Black Reservoir was than to see it and find it "meh".

A few things...

1) Fans should remember that Gary NEVER wrote for the fans. He wrote for himself, hoping others would care. If he was trying to do what the fans wanted him to do, I'm sure he would have taken a writing position with WoTC as soon as Peter Atkinson approached him--because many fans of Gary are just fans of Gary the D&D creator, not Gary's current works.

2) Gary did endorse C&C. However, if you did know Gary his true devotion was to properties he 100% controlled. He "walked away" from stuff he didn't control. Also, my experience with Gary's method was that he didn't write C&C stats, he just used his abbreviated format made famous in the G and D series--only stating exceptions, he used terms like "chain" and "stone" to avoid having to adopt the positive AC scheme.

3) Gary did state that he felt C&C was the best fit for the castle. However, it doesn't mean he was also opposed to using LA. When talk started on CZ, I remember he corrected me when he was originally going to do a "dual stat" module--it was on a public list somewhere, perhaps Greytalk. I think the only reason he was opposed was he found it difficult to simulate the class and level challenge system (A)D&D is based on. But he was working on that for his own campaign.

So, why I think a Castle Zagyg for LA wouldn't sell as well as one for a C&C or old-school D&D system--it wouldn't be a "disrespect of Gary's Wishes" either.

And this all assumes CZ will be continued.

Finally, I do want to reiterate that I hope people realized that Gary cared more about his family and loved ones than his property or creations. So, in this case, in this holiday season, I ask people to remember that.
 


Honestly, I suspect part of the issue is that Castle Greyhawk (and psydonyms) and other projects might not be as coherently set down as people would like to hope. certainly, Gygax's private use of game systems was far more off the cuff than what he published, and it seems likely to me that his own game material was in that vein too.

Heck, that’s exactly what I want. I was disappointed that Gary was making it “suitable for publication”. I’ve got plenty of that sort of stuff, and there’s plenty more to be had. I want to see the actual practical notes of a master DM.
 

Heck, that’s exactly what I want. I was disappointed that Gary was making it “suitable for publication”. I’ve got plenty of that sort of stuff, and there’s plenty more to be had. I want to see the actual practical notes of a master DM.

I had never considered this, but I really find the idea appealing.
 

Heck, that’s exactly what I want. I was disappointed that Gary was making it “suitable for publication”. I’ve got plenty of that sort of stuff, and there’s plenty more to be had. I want to see the actual practical notes of a master DM.

I had never considered this, but I really find the idea appealing.


me too. i'd pay good money for photocopied published notes. even if they contradict themselves.
 

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