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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9436179" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>Virtual things are real. This current discussion, for example.</p><p></p><p>You are equating being real with being physical. Virtual things are made of the same stuff as all other things in the universe: particles arranged in particular ways (very loosely speaking - point is, they're not supernatural). They are not physical in the sense that you can hold them in your hand, but they are definitely real.</p><p></p><p>Then I would have to reconsider the change in the value proposition and might come to a different conclusion. I used to buy a lot of blind boxes, but then they got more expensive while offering few if any huge-sized miniatures, so now I don't buy them.</p><p></p><p>I have one copy of a digital PHB that has, since I bought it for $25 5-6 years ago, been used probably over a hundred people, often in their own games where I am not present. Try doing that with a physical copy.</p><p></p><p>I've also got it downloaded, so if I just want to pass it around the table I could, and no one could ever stop me. Come to think of it, I could put it on a couple old phones too, if I wanted. That $25 has gone a LONG way!</p><p></p><p>That's just, like, your opinion, man. One I happen to agree with if by VTT you mean playing online, though if I use the VTT it will mostly be for in person games, just like putting down a battle map or physical set that I have built. That's how I already use the 2d VTT on DDB when I don't want to lug all my stuff to school. Dwarven Forge is heavy!</p><p></p><p>But even if we are actually talking about online play, how does that make it bad <em>in principle</em>? There are lots of people on this forum who have expressed a preference for online play for a variety of reasons. Are you saying that are objectively wrong to like what they like? I don't get it.</p><p></p><p>Why is it sad, though? Again, you are talking about online play, not using a VTT, which are very different things (for example, when we played online during lockdown I still built physical sets and put a camera over them). But regardless, it's only sad <em>to you</em>. Because it's not what you're used to or what you like. When I was a kid my dad probably thought it was sad that I wasn't into his country music, and he definitely thought it was sad when I got into the Sex Pistols (which my kid thinks are lame Dad rock, so he thinks it's sad that I like them, too. He and grandpa agree about the Sex Pistols!).</p><p></p><p>But Dad was wrong. It wasn't sad, it was just different. That's what most of this thread boils down to: assuming that change is bad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9436179, member: 7035894"] Virtual things are real. This current discussion, for example. You are equating being real with being physical. Virtual things are made of the same stuff as all other things in the universe: particles arranged in particular ways (very loosely speaking - point is, they're not supernatural). They are not physical in the sense that you can hold them in your hand, but they are definitely real. Then I would have to reconsider the change in the value proposition and might come to a different conclusion. I used to buy a lot of blind boxes, but then they got more expensive while offering few if any huge-sized miniatures, so now I don't buy them. I have one copy of a digital PHB that has, since I bought it for $25 5-6 years ago, been used probably over a hundred people, often in their own games where I am not present. Try doing that with a physical copy. I've also got it downloaded, so if I just want to pass it around the table I could, and no one could ever stop me. Come to think of it, I could put it on a couple old phones too, if I wanted. That $25 has gone a LONG way! That's just, like, your opinion, man. One I happen to agree with if by VTT you mean playing online, though if I use the VTT it will mostly be for in person games, just like putting down a battle map or physical set that I have built. That's how I already use the 2d VTT on DDB when I don't want to lug all my stuff to school. Dwarven Forge is heavy! But even if we are actually talking about online play, how does that make it bad [I]in principle[/I]? There are lots of people on this forum who have expressed a preference for online play for a variety of reasons. Are you saying that are objectively wrong to like what they like? I don't get it. Why is it sad, though? Again, you are talking about online play, not using a VTT, which are very different things (for example, when we played online during lockdown I still built physical sets and put a camera over them). But regardless, it's only sad [I]to you[/I]. Because it's not what you're used to or what you like. When I was a kid my dad probably thought it was sad that I wasn't into his country music, and he definitely thought it was sad when I got into the Sex Pistols (which my kid thinks are lame Dad rock, so he thinks it's sad that I like them, too. He and grandpa agree about the Sex Pistols!). But Dad was wrong. It wasn't sad, it was just different. That's what most of this thread boils down to: assuming that change is bad. [/QUOTE]
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