Invisibility and Mind Blank vs True Seeing or See Invisibility?

[Arravis]

Invisibility and Mind Blank (or Nondetection) vs True Seeing or See Invisibility... what would happen in such a situation?

 

[Corsair]

Mindblank would do nothing. TS and SI aren't affecting or detecting the mind.


As for nondetection:

If a divination is attempted against the warded creature or item, the caster of the divination must succeed on a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) against a DC of 11 + the caster level of the spellcaster who cast nondetection.

Looks like Nondetection might do the trick.

 

[Arravis]

Why wouldn't Mind Blank work? It essentially makes you immune to all divinations.

 

[Jack Simth]

Mind Blank doesn't stop all divinations, Depending on how it is read by the DM. It stops all scrying attempts on the subject, it stops all effects that detect, influence, or read emotions or thoughts, and "information gathering by divination spells or effects". If your DM decides See Invisible and True Sight are information gathering spells or effects, then Mind Blank foils them. Otherwise, they work normally.

 

[Arravis]

Aren't all divination spells, by definition, information gathering spells?

 

[andargor]

From the FAQ:

Can someone using a discern location spell find someone using mind blank spell?

No. While the discern location spell description contains some pretty strong language about the spell’s ability to overcome effects that block scrying of divinations, the general rule in the D&D game favors defense over offense, so mind blank’s ability to block scrying and all forms of divination trumps discern location’s ability to penetrate such defenses.
Blocking spells of 7th level or less, however, are still ineffective against discern location.

True seeing and see invisibility are both Divination spells. Hence, mind blank would block them.

Andargor

 

[Arravis]

So someone blinking, invisible, etc with Mind Blank would retain their status as such?

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Aren't all divination spells, by definition, information gathering spells?

Aren't all spells, by extension, information gathering spells?

 

[Arravis]

From Merriam-Webster:
"Divination:
1: the art or practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge usually by the interpretation of omens or by the aid of supernatural powers
2: unusual insight : intuitive perception"

SRD defines it:
"Divination Divination spells enable you to learn secrets long forgotten, to predict the future, to find hidden things, and to foil deceptive spells."

It's unambiguously a method for gathering information. It's not some irrational connection, etc. Fireball is not an information-gathering spell. Let's be reasonable people.

 

[andargor]

So someone blinking, invisible, etc with Mind Blank would retain their status as such?

Invisible, yes, until they attack. Blinking, only relative to creatures on the Material Plane unable to perceive ethereal creatures. Don't forget that the "invisibility" granted is due to being on the Ethereal. Incorporeal/ethereal creatures and creatures able to perceive into the Ethereal would therefore not be affected by mind blank, and could see you just fine.

Andargor