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<blockquote data-quote="Plaguescarred" data-source="post: 6858416" data-attributes="member: 6701422">The confusion mostly is due to these conflicting game elements;&nbsp;&nbsp; Invisible: The creature’s location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves.&nbsp;&nbsp; Unseen Attackers &amp; Targets: When you attack a target that you can’t see, you have disadvantage on the attack roll. This is true whether you’re guessing the target’s&nbsp; &nbsp; location or you’re targeting a creature you can hear but not see. If the target isn’t in the location you targeted, you automatically miss, but the DM typically just says that&nbsp; &nbsp; the attack missed, not whether you guessed the target’s location correctly.&nbsp;&nbsp; Feral Sense: You are also aware of the location of any invisible creature within 30 feet of you, provided that the creature isn’t hidden from you and you aren’t blinded or&nbsp; &nbsp; deafened.While the Invisible condition states that the creature’s location can still be detected, Unseen Attackers &amp; Targets suggest guessing positioning by saying that a creature not targeted in the location it occupies automatically miss.But if only hiding end up concealing your position, then why would Feral Sense make you specifically aware of the location of any invisible creature that isn’t hidden from you if you are supposed to already know the location of any creature not hidden?Essentially, what i tell some of my friends is that if they're insisting in having unseen concealing positioning, then what does hiding does in the end if in order to hide you generally need to be unseen in the first place?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Plaguescarred, post: 6858416, member: 6701422"] The confusion mostly is due to these conflicting game elements; [I][B] Invisible:[/B] The creature’s location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves. [B] Unseen Attackers & Targets:[/B] When you attack a target that you can’t see, you have disadvantage on the attack roll. This is true whether you’re guessing the target’s location or you’re targeting a creature you can hear but not see. If the target isn’t in the location you targeted, you automatically miss, but the DM typically just says that the attack missed, not whether you guessed the target’s location correctly. [B] Feral Sense:[/B] You are also aware of the location of any invisible creature within 30 feet of you, provided that the creature isn’t hidden from you and you aren’t blinded or deafened.[/I] While the[I] Invisible[/I] condition states that the creature’s location can still be detected, [I]Unseen Attackers & Targets[/I] suggest guessing positioning by saying that a creature not targeted in the location it occupies automatically miss. But if only hiding end up concealing your position, then why would [I]Feral Sense[/I] make you specifically aware of the location of any invisible creature that isn’t hidden from you if you are supposed to already know the location of any creature not hidden? Essentially, what i tell some of my friends is that if they're insisting in having unseen concealing positioning, then what does hiding does in the end if in order to hide you generally need to be unseen in the first place? [/QUOTE]

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