Invisible Blade and PreReqs

[Anthelios]

Anyone else notice the strange prereqs for the Invisible Blade PrC in Complete Warrior? Far Shot and Point Blank Shot?

I understand the weapon focus requirement, but the other two only make sense for "throwing" daggers. The other two possible weapons are Punching Daggers and Kukris, neither of which can be thrown. I'm making a ranged Invisible Blade, but I think its odd that the class requires those feats, especially given the class description, seems Flick of the Wrist and Defensive Strike are more in line with what the class is about.

Anyone else share my feelings?

 

[Hypersmurf]

The story goes that the PrC was originally a 10 level class with some ranged abilities, but that when it was cut down to a 5 level class, they forgot to change the prerequisites.

In fact, the author of the class has been posting here in the last couple of days - Sonofapreacherman. He might drop by this thread and tell you his suggestions for revised prereqs...

-Hyp.

 

[Anthelios]

I fell in love with the opening little bit of fiction for the class, its a shame I always DM, I'd love to get to play this character.

 

[Brain]

We just looked this up today on wizards.com somewhere (I wasn't the one that looked it up) and their page said that the real prerequisites (errata i think) are weapon focus (dagger or dagger like weapon) and weapon finesse.

 

[Anthelios]

We just looked this up today on wizards.com somewhere (I wasn't the one that looked it up) and their page said that the real prerequisites (errata i think) are weapon focus (dagger or dagger like weapon) and weapon finesse.

That makes a lot more sense, and frees up a feat!

 

[Spencemeister]

I would really like an answer to this question as I am considering this PC as well. I couldn't find any mention of the issue in errata at wizards.com, but I did google it and found the following conversation posted on www.fellowship.no

The suggestions make sense, and I am going to propose them to the DM of my current campaign. Any new info available?

Spencemeister

Originally posted by VagrantPretzel
Ehm...I hate to interrupt this heated discussion with a slightly, marginally unrelated topic, but i have a question that desperately needs posing, and Sonofapreacherman just -might- have the credentials to answer it.

Why does the invisible blade require Far Shot and Point Blank Shot if he's a melee man?

No imposition at all. Moreover, I'd hardly consider it a heated debate. Engaging perhaps, but not heated.

As for the prerequisites, the 5-level invisible blade that first appeared in Dragon (and then recently in The Complete Warrior) was edited down from my original 10-level progression. The abilities and text are the same, but there were some additional dagger throwing abilities built into the prestige class as well (to round it out).

The editors at Dragon had asked me to change the invisible blade prerequisites to reflect their ranged-based abilities, but when they later changed the invisible blade into a 5-level prestige class (and removed the dagger throwing abilities), they likely forgot to change the prerequisites as well.

To use the printed version of the invisible blade as is, simply change the prerequisites feats to:

Weapon Focus (dagger, kukri, or punching dagger) and Weapon Finesse.

I hope that helps.
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I suggest that we change the prerequisites to the following:

* Weapon Focus (dagger, kukri, or punching dagger)
* Weapon Finesse
* Combat Expertise

The latter is a prerequisite to the feat Improved Feint which the Invisible Blade gains automatically.

What do you think?

 

[RigaMortus]

I'm not too impressed w/ the Invisible Blade myself. I think they have to roll too many die. You're rolling an extra d20 (for Bluff) before every single attack (assuming you want to maximize on Sneak Attack). That's just a pain. And the natural 20 you rolled on your bluff/Feint attempt would have been much better served for the actual attack roll.

 

[CyberSpyder]

I'm not too impressed w/ the Invisible Blade myself. I think they have to roll too many die. You're rolling an extra d20 (for Bluff) before every single attack (assuming you want to maximize on Sneak Attack). That's just a pain. And the natural 20 you rolled on your bluff/Feint attempt would have been much better served for the actual attack roll.

You get an ability to take 10 on bluff checks. I imagine that's what most IBs will be doing.

 

[RigaMortus]

You get an ability to take 10 on bluff checks. I imagine that's what most IBs will be doing.

Ok, very good point... in that case... I like them again