D&D 5E Invisible+Gaseous Form+Stealth---How would you run it?

[Guest 7037866]

Oops! Reading comprehension fail. My bad.

No worries. People seem to miss the "non-2024" 5E tag a lot.

At some point, maybe the Mods will just move all non-2024 threads to "Older Editions".

 

[Lazybones]

I would probably just say that the rogue automatically escapes notice unless the nearby creatures had the ability to perceive invisible objects. I wouldn't expect a cloud of mist to make noise or leave tracks, which are the main ways you can detect the presence of an invisible creature. If they saw him turn into mist, I might allow for a chance to locate him using active Perception or even just stumbling about, since the cloud can be interacted with (i.e., attacked, or even grappled), which suggests that it is tangible in some way. But if he were to float up to the ceiling and just drift through the dungeon I would be unlikely to require a Stealth check.

 

[TwoSix]

How I would rule:

Question 1: Can he use his Bonus action to Dash via Cunning Action?

Yes.

Question 2: Does he gain any benefit while attempting to Hide?

For that combination, I would probably have it be an auto-success unless there was a good reason for someone to spot him. I might give a NPC with a strong sense of smell a Perception check at disadvantage.

Question 3: Would he have to spent each round taking the Hide action if others Search for him?

If someone is actively aware that there's an invisible gas moving around, then yes. Otherwise no.

Question 4: How fast can he move while trying to maintain stealth?

No more than normal walking speed. (30' a round). Anything else and they'll generate a breeze. (I'm just making that up, but it feels OK.)

 

[Lakesidefantasy]

What happened to post #11?

 

[Shiroiken]

Question 1: Can he use his Bonus action to Dash via Cunning Action?

Yes. Just because it's not their walking speed doesn't mean they can't dash. Flying creatures can dash with their action too.

Question 2: Does he gain any benefit while attempting to Hide?

RAW, no. IMO, I wouldn't require a character to hide in the first place, as they're virtually undetectable. Their movement would create a slight breeze, so in a confined location I might require a check with advantage, but overall I wouldn't bother.

Question 3: Would he have to spent each round taking the Hide action if others Search for him?

No. Once you are hidden, you remain hidden until you are spotted. This is partly why I don't ask for a Stealth roll until it matters.

Question 4: How fast can he move while trying to maintain stealth?

There is no limit on speed while hiding.

 

[Guest 7037866]

What happened to post #11?

I had you ignored so you weren't seeing my posts. I can't recall why, so I unignored you.

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

Like many people suggested, the bonus for using both a spell slot and a potion is that there is no need for a check at all. You automatically succeed unless he passes through someone’s square or they have a way to see invisible.

If you absolutely require a Check, i’d at the very least, grant advantage for being gaseous.

I’d rule you can dash. Why not? Will a dm enforce only 10feet of movement per round? The spell doesn’t say that. It says your movement is 10 feet so, yes, you can move 20 for using dash action. Is there a reason he’s suddenly unable to use a class ability? If not, then he can move 30 feet/ round. He’d be at disadvantage to stealth checks, if you rule he needs to roll stealth. Or at a straight check if rolling advantage.

If someone has see invisibility, and he’s not making any attempt to hide, they will see a fast-moving cloud which is super suspicious.

 

[Lakesidefantasy]

I had you ignored so you weren't seeing my posts. I can't recall why, so I unignored you.

Well how did you know I was asking what happened to post #11?

Also, you're probably ignoring someone else in this thread because they don't seem to be able to see #11 either.

 

[Guest 7037866]

Well how did you know I was asking what happened to post #11?

Because I can click Show Ignore Content and see the posts.

Also, you're probably ignoring someone else in this thread because they don't seem to be able to see #11 either.

I am.

 

[TiQuinn]

He can dash but only with a 10 foot fly speed. I would say Hiding automatically succeeds unless there is some reasonable way for a NPC to notice him and the rogue doesn’t do something like try to move directly through an enemy’s position. If someone does notice him, then yes he has to Hide. At best though, they’re noticing that “this part of the room seems unnaturally damp and there’s a weird breeze.” Depending on the context, they may think that’s weird but they may also not do anything about it or be able to do anything about it.