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<blockquote data-quote="seasong" data-source="post: 447828" data-attributes="member: 5137"><p>Okay, it's earlier than I expected, but it looks like I've got some time to post, so...</p><p></p><p>Firstly, Tuerny, you rock <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. From the elemental plane politics to the stooge factor, I'm stealing a bunch of it. Especially since I saw that you and I had <em>both</em> used the clock to frame the scenario... only you'd framed the scenario in <em>time</em> instead of space. And while your setup might have been lacking a bit, you more than made up for it with a crafted scenario that could go a lot of different ways... without ending the scenario. So, I know this isn't <em>nemmerlesque</em> critique, I just really liked your scenario.</p><p></p><p>Now, on to my thoughts on mine.</p><p></p><p><strong>Elements:</strong> My use of the rousing music was weak. And I think that the fragility of the clock was not tied well enough into the scenario. Despite these two weaknesses, I thought that my use of the 1/2 fiend xorn, salamander couriers (with the etched metal messages) and betrayal were all very good. I'm pretty mediocre on the throne of fat - it wasn't weak, but I didn't bring out the lovely imagery it screamed for!</p><p></p><p><strong>Major Flaws:</strong> Definitely need to go over it with a fine-toothed comb for knowledge magics. Xiang could perhaps be given some good counters.</p><p></p><p>For combat, also, Xiang should perhaps have more bite <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.</p><p></p><p>Ur Shannar, on the other hand... Well, we disagree on how scary Ur Shannar is, but for me, it boils down to this: a wizard can potentially (25% chance) <em>banish</em> Ur Shannar in a single round. Ur Shannar can potentially (~60% chance) kill a CON 12 wizard in a single round. Me, I'd find that scary. (work shown below)</p><p></p><p>Wizard, INT 20, Banishment, save DC is 22</p><p>Ur Shannar, Will save +16, has to roll a 5 or less to fail (25%)</p><p></p><p>Ur Shannar, BAB 38/33/28, spear dmg 3d8+13 (including specialization) (avg 26.5)</p><p>Wizard, AC 20, hp 70, Ur Shannar has to roll a 1 to miss</p><p>3 hits = avg 75.5 hp, wizard dead or dying</p><p></p><p><strong>Stepping On Intent:</strong> Agh! Yes. I'm generally good enough (or evil enough) that I can pull this sort of thing off, but a prepackaged scenario for public consumption needs to have everything covered. Not everyone can be a seasong <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />. Divination protection for certain aspects of the intrigue (so the players have to <em>work</em> their spells to get the data) would be the big first step for that.</p><p></p><p><strong>Xiang's CHA 12:</strong> Actually, if I'd statted everything out, he would have had higher WIS and CHR for his cleric class - I saw him as being built like a PC, rather than strictly a xorn. But I, ah, didn't actually communicate that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek! :o" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="seasong, post: 447828, member: 5137"] Okay, it's earlier than I expected, but it looks like I've got some time to post, so... Firstly, Tuerny, you rock :). From the elemental plane politics to the stooge factor, I'm stealing a bunch of it. Especially since I saw that you and I had [i]both[/i] used the clock to frame the scenario... only you'd framed the scenario in [i]time[/i] instead of space. And while your setup might have been lacking a bit, you more than made up for it with a crafted scenario that could go a lot of different ways... without ending the scenario. So, I know this isn't [i]nemmerlesque[/i] critique, I just really liked your scenario. Now, on to my thoughts on mine. [b]Elements:[/b] My use of the rousing music was weak. And I think that the fragility of the clock was not tied well enough into the scenario. Despite these two weaknesses, I thought that my use of the 1/2 fiend xorn, salamander couriers (with the etched metal messages) and betrayal were all very good. I'm pretty mediocre on the throne of fat - it wasn't weak, but I didn't bring out the lovely imagery it screamed for! [b]Major Flaws:[/b] Definitely need to go over it with a fine-toothed comb for knowledge magics. Xiang could perhaps be given some good counters. For combat, also, Xiang should perhaps have more bite :). Ur Shannar, on the other hand... Well, we disagree on how scary Ur Shannar is, but for me, it boils down to this: a wizard can potentially (25% chance) [i]banish[/i] Ur Shannar in a single round. Ur Shannar can potentially (~60% chance) kill a CON 12 wizard in a single round. Me, I'd find that scary. (work shown below) Wizard, INT 20, Banishment, save DC is 22 Ur Shannar, Will save +16, has to roll a 5 or less to fail (25%) Ur Shannar, BAB 38/33/28, spear dmg 3d8+13 (including specialization) (avg 26.5) Wizard, AC 20, hp 70, Ur Shannar has to roll a 1 to miss 3 hits = avg 75.5 hp, wizard dead or dying [b]Stepping On Intent:[/b] Agh! Yes. I'm generally good enough (or evil enough) that I can pull this sort of thing off, but a prepackaged scenario for public consumption needs to have everything covered. Not everyone can be a seasong ;). Divination protection for certain aspects of the intrigue (so the players have to [i]work[/i] their spells to get the data) would be the big first step for that. [b]Xiang's CHA 12:[/b] Actually, if I'd statted everything out, he would have had higher WIS and CHR for his cleric class - I saw him as being built like a PC, rather than strictly a xorn. But I, ah, didn't actually communicate that :o. [/QUOTE]
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