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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8716319" data-attributes="member: 67338">I mean there was no real wizard... we are sitting at a tabble playing a game, and we playing the game know actions. now I don't have a 1=1 for that exchange as I said it was mostly tongue in cheek, but yeah... the wizard can change the game.teleport circle is a 5th level spell (90% sure) so wizards can grab it at 9th level... compairing it to a fighter getting a third attack (and now I will go full born power gaming) that can power attack and reroll 1's and 2's and crit 19+  for 2d6+18 damage is laughable. That is what I am saying. IT IS APPLES AND ORANGES, except its also a huge power and option boost... the wizard can visit the fruit stand and grab any 5 fruits or vegetables but if he chooses an apple it will be only 80% the size of the fighter (but he still gets 4 more fruit so he can grab that orange, and that banana too)maybe you should go search out some of my actual play examples... it wont have a 11th level fighter and 11thh level wizard in the same party though cause we only use the non caster classes for multi class or if we all agree not to go full caster so no one is out power the party.</blockquote>