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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8716360" data-attributes="member: 6799660">How about none? No hyperbole, no analogies, and not making the rest of the thread (or at least those who don't agree with you) defend a position you have put forth and said is the experience you have in threads like these.We get that you have experienced something like this on threads. The internet is full of toxicity and people are not always nice. Truth. But the people that said those things are not here, and the thread did not turn into this discussion until you placed it here. Now it is going to be another thread you will remember grievance, but not because anyone else reopened those wounds.I apparently have had this account for 7 years, but I've only been seriously back into it for 8-9 months, and my entire experience with you is you saturating threads with self-declared victimhood and grievance (that I have no doubt was seeded by a real experience at <s>one</s>more than one point), many times missing when you have proceeded to be rude, mean-spirited, or derisive to your fellow thread participants in your defense against the slings and arrows that happened in other, previous threads.I like you, honestly. And even agree on many salient points, including about fighters (such as that at high levels they have nothing that solves problems the way that teleport or passwall or plane shift do). I disagree on others, but we had one disagreement on the question of 'yes, but do fighters at least do fightering better' and I threw in the towel. Just seeing you on fighters thread (and, yes, Oofta, wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to do this everywhere?) makes me throw up my hands and think "why bother, it is just going to be interpreted as  continuation of the abuse and greeted with a spirited rejection of arguments other people in the past have apparently made." If I were only responsible for defending statements I myself made (plus, y'know, some more general politeness), I would be much more inclined to want to bother.I'm sympathetic to the perspective that AD&D might have been, if not balanced, at least good at role-protection, and thus balanced in that no matter how good you were at being a magic user, you still needed the fighters. Of course if by AD&D you mean 1E, fighter-MU multiclass was very doable and was pretty similar to 5e's wizard with a 1-level cleric or artificer dip. So I don't know that I think 5e is wildly different from any of the non-4Es. But then again in the TSR era, there was probably much more variety in the way people played, so everyone's experience certainly will be different.</blockquote>

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