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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8719889" data-attributes="member: 18">And yet... in practice that is seemingly how they are treated in all other situations in D&D when they come up. I mean, can anyone find me an official adventure where failing a DC-based skill check isn't treated as failure, but "progress with a setback"? I've certainly never seen that, but maybe it's out there.Can you give me a heading or something? I have the DMG on Beyond, rather than physical, and page references don't work, but I can't find anything like this. Not saying it isn't there, just that I can't find it.EDIT - Do you mean the section "Resolution and consequences"?That's an interesting one because it's somewhat at odds with the PHB, in that it doesn't even include the "progress with a setback" option (rather instead having "success at a cost", which is almost the inverse, or at least 90 degrees off), among other things.It's also misleading, I feel, for you to lay things out so neatly and clearly, when the book completely and totally fails to do so. I had to look for a lot longer because I was expecting something clear, but in fact what you've got there is a much better and more useful clarification than that the DMG actually offers, which is vague text waffle.I definitely hope 6E put this sort of thing in the PHB, it's genuinely non-optional as you say, and makes it a lot clearer.Also, you say it's "non-optional text", but the text is literally phrased as if it's "at the DM's whim", so I mean, it's obviously optional just without an "optional rule" heading or sidebar.</blockquote>

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