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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet-7" data-source="post: 8720247" data-attributes="member: 7025282">Well you’re not wrong—-in that a lighter experience has broad appeal.  I personally like war games and tactical stuff.  But last night we played and granted it was long term friends and their son…but we were howling with laughter.  And the truth is that half of us are closer to grogs.   The other half less so by many many degrees.  But we had the best damn time!My friend put a big TV in his table so we had nice big play mats for the battles.  Fun.I was helping folks calculate their bonuses at times.  But had it been 4e…I just don’t think it would have been the party it was with the cross section of people there was.It felt like the rules did not get in the way for the most part.  I remember the days of the five foot step and the different attacks getting different bonuses—-each succeeding attack on the scale getting lower.Or 4e with its clean and hard coded symmetry.   I think the craziness of the casters made for part of the comedy last night and the tactical excitement as we took on the minions of Iuz the old!I think there is a market for the hard core gamer but it’s just not the size of 5e.  Does it have a place?  Well you have some here talking about level up, pathfinder and so forth.  Yeah, it’s there is an audience.There is also an audience for old school BECMI level stuff too!I think 5e has effectively straddled the lot and has enough from each pool that it’s formula venture into “special” if that means broad appeal. You could go one way or another on the spectrum and still probably be good but they are pretty dialed in this time. Are they in the “absolute sweet spot?”  I dunno.  And it’s probably too late to know.  But they’re close I believe.  Would it have more fans with a little more complexity or simplicity? I don’t know but if you gain some here you probably shed some there.  Imperfect but close enough for hand grenades I think. Another factor that can be at play is the release schedule and some broader things like that which would not have to be unique to 5e.  How much variance does that account for, I don’t know that either!But I think you are right—-as was my experience last night with a diverse group.  The rules don’t trip up the roleplay And freewheeling adventuring that probably is the most attractive part of rpg in a world of tactical stuff</blockquote>

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