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Message: <blockquote data-quote="glass" data-source="post: 8723240" data-attributes="member: 12251">So you admit that you knew there were non-AEDU classes in 4e (although you are mistaken about their only being in Essentials), but are doubling down on there not being? Interesting approach. Also, despite quoting it, you ignore the point that even for EADU classes with exactly the same number of powers known of each type, the power do different things. Thus, the mechanics are not identical. QED."Most of the community" did nothing of the sort. I know it is an article of faith for edition warriors that 4e was a masive commercial failure, but it was actually stupendously successful by any metric other than "Hasbro core brand".I don't think the length of combats would be meaningfully different. I don't know how SCs would work, but if they were an issue, they could always use whatever method they use now, which would of course work fine with 4e.Thank you. I earlier had to admit that I had never seen anyone confused by 5e's obscurantist action economy. But now I have, because a bonus action is not an action._glass.</blockquote>