Is an Edition Warz moritorium possible?

[Quasqueton]

Editing out some of those for possible offenses will put a damper on such discussion

Obviously, I did not explain my concept well, at all. And I can't think of a clearer way of stating it.

Quasqueton

 

[Umbran]

Obviously, I did not explain my concept well, at all. And I can't think of a clearer way of stating it.

I think you explained your concept clearly enough - I think perhaps your concept contains clear-cut lines and definitions that we cannot put into practice in reality.

 

[Quasqueton]

I think you explained your concept clearly enough

Yet you "paraphrased" me with:

Editing out some of those for possible offenses will put a damper on such discussion

I never suggested the mods need to "baby sit" as Piratecat put it, or edit out "possible" offenses. If that's the way you guys interpreted my post, I was not clear.

I think perhaps your concept contains clear-cut lines and definitions that we cannot put into practice in reality.

I didn't think I gave any clear-cut lines or definitions.

Out of curiousity, are these quotes acceptable for an ENWorld discussion thread?

What I've found very perplexing is why those who left (A)D&D in the past for "being such a bad system" are so adamant that the game they are currently playing "really" be D&D.

I can't see many 3E fans liking Holmes very much, honestly.

It's not the fluff, it's the system itself. The "3e" ruleset is a different game than D&D. "3.5e" is really d20 Fantasy, 2nd edition. It has nothing to do with "not being worthy" of the name.

Of course, the part about playing anything you want in OD&D and Holmes Basic that 3e players may not like is that DM approval is required . . .

So, what was the first product where D&D's soul was sold?

Yes, but this is 1e, where weird departures from the norm are, well, normal.

If you think they are OK, then I am just being too sensitive. And I'll shut up. (Although *I* didn't respond to any of the above statements. But others did.)

Actually, I'll shut up anyway. I'm apparently a master of miscommunication. (Though I hope you answer this last question.)

Quasqueton

 

[Piratecat]

Don't shut up! I'd much rather have one of us explain our position, and the other person disagree, than just sit and be frustrated in silence.

In this case, I think the topic is very important to you, and that's why you're more sensitive to it than some other folks. I think most of those quotes are just fine, although I certainly don't agree with them and would enthusiastically defend an opposing view. The problem comes when I decide that [pick your poster] is a jerk because he says such things, and so I get personally insulted that he doesn't like something that is exceptionally dear to me. It's hard not to take such things as a personal insult, although really they're just criticizing a game I happen to love.

More later, I think - I'm still at work.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

More later, I think - I'm still at work.

You...you work?!

 

[Piratecat]

You...you work?!

Shush, you!

Actually, I make video games. And we hit alpha in two days. Right now I work a LOT; I'm mostly here when the game is building.

 

[Umbran]

I never suggested the mods need to "baby sit" as Piratecat put it, or edit out "possible" offenses. If that's the way you guys interpreted my post, I was not clear.

I still think you were clear. I was not trying to paraphrase you - I was trying to describe some of the practical upshots of attempting to do what you suggested.

I didn't think I gave any clear-cut lines or definitions.

You spoke of "Edition Insults", with capital letters. I suggest that there is no such thing. Instead, we have a mess of people who may read a post and feel insulted. Mods cannot remove Edition Insults. Mods can only remove those things in their judgement might be taken as insulting - my "possible offenses".

Out of curiousity, are these quotes acceptable for an ENWorld discussion thread?

I don't usually moderate based on the content of a sentence alone. I try to take the rest of the post and discussion context into account as well. Right now people are really touchy - virtually anything on the subject is likely to be taken as insulting. What starts a fight now would not have raised an eyebrow a couple weeks ago.

 

[Desdichado]

I'm okay with someone who says "I dislike 3e", while I'm not okay with that person unilaterally saying "3e sucks."

I remember being part of a (smaller) online community that had a very similar feel to ENW, and it had the rule (I only bring this up because of the coincidence in phrasing) that you could say "3e sucks" all you want as long as you didn't say "YOU suck". I mean, that phrase "3e sucks" is clearly an opinion; I'm not sure that couching it in extra soft "opinion" language really changes the thrust or impact of the statement any.

 

[Garnfellow]

I think one problem in the last week has been that many posts have been disrespectful and rather dinkish -- but they aren't breaking any rules, and if read in isolation and out of context these posts don't necessarily read as problematic. These are really hard, if not impossible things to moderate, but if this practice goes on for too long it creates an atmosphere that can destroy a message board or mailing list.

I've been online now for over 12 years (holy crap!) and belonged to dozens of forums over that period, some gaming related and some not. I've seen at least a couple of excellent online communities go dark because a handful of passive-aggressive posters slowly poisoned the well -- and I really don't want EnWorld to go that route.

For what it's worth, the tenor seems to have improved markedly in the last day or so. I hope it continues.

 

[Desdichado]

I think one problem in the last week has been that many posts have been disrespectful and rather dinkish -- but they aren't breaking any rules, and if read in isolation and out of context these posts don't necessarily read as problematic. These are really hard, if not impossible things to moderate, but if this practice goes on for too long it creates an atmosphere that can destroy a message board or mailing list.

That tends to be a problem in general at ENW, so much so that those who are most bothered by it have been going to "escape valve" forums like Nutkinland, Nothingland or Circvs Maximvs for years to deal with it.