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Is Chaotic evil more evil than Lawful evil?
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<blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 1767919" data-attributes="member: 20741"><p>No, sorry, I'm not wrong. </p><p></p><p>D&D has <strong>always</strong> had within it a distinction between a property crime and a crime of wanton violence and cruelty.</p><p></p><p>The idea of the neutral thief has been embraced by D&D for 30 years. Indeed, it is even possible for D&D to embrace the possibility of even a neutral good thief.</p><p></p><p>Where D&D drew the line was at violence and cruelty to other living sentient beings. The assassin in 1st edition is the classic example. That was an individual who killed for money - the "antithesis of weal" to quote EGG.</p><p></p><p>This is a sensible distinction. Legal systems throughout the industrialized world draw a vast distinction between property crimes and crimes of violence.</p><p></p><p>Put bluntly, the group of 12 year olds out egging a house are NOT engaged in a lawful good act. But this is hardly a few steps up the slippery slope from donning black runed armor and posing for a Frazzetta painting.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, the bank which forecloses on a defaulting borrower is not engaged in a lawful evil act. At worst it is lawful neutral and is even quite defencibly lawful good when taking a long view of the matter. To ascribe to the enforcement of a secured lending instrument a moral equivalency of "evil" is just something we are not EVER going to agree upon, no matter if we write messages to one another for the next 10 years, 3 times a day.</p><p> </p><p>Our viewpoints on these matters are clearly <em>just not the same.</em> What is self-evident to you is not in the least self-evident to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steel_Wind, post: 1767919, member: 20741"] No, sorry, I'm not wrong. D&D has [b]always[/b] had within it a distinction between a property crime and a crime of wanton violence and cruelty. The idea of the neutral thief has been embraced by D&D for 30 years. Indeed, it is even possible for D&D to embrace the possibility of even a neutral good thief. Where D&D drew the line was at violence and cruelty to other living sentient beings. The assassin in 1st edition is the classic example. That was an individual who killed for money - the "antithesis of weal" to quote EGG. This is a sensible distinction. Legal systems throughout the industrialized world draw a vast distinction between property crimes and crimes of violence. Put bluntly, the group of 12 year olds out egging a house are NOT engaged in a lawful good act. But this is hardly a few steps up the slippery slope from donning black runed armor and posing for a Frazzetta painting. Similarly, the bank which forecloses on a defaulting borrower is not engaged in a lawful evil act. At worst it is lawful neutral and is even quite defencibly lawful good when taking a long view of the matter. To ascribe to the enforcement of a secured lending instrument a moral equivalency of "evil" is just something we are not EVER going to agree upon, no matter if we write messages to one another for the next 10 years, 3 times a day. Our viewpoints on these matters are clearly [i]just not the same.[/i] What is self-evident to you is not in the least self-evident to me. [/QUOTE]
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