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<blockquote data-quote="Unwise" data-source="post: 7657625" data-attributes="member: 98008">[MENTION=54629]pukunui[/MENTION] I am glad I am not the only one who thinks that way. I was a player in a game just like what you described and it was the monsters and constant reliance on the ranger that killed it. It became hard for the DM to maintain the suspension of disbelief after this exchange:DM &quot;You see a huge bat...&quot;PC &quot;Let me guess, is it a frost bat?&quot;DM &quot;Umm....yeah&quot;&lt;Later the same fight&gt;DM &quot;Then a huge spider erupts from a crack in the wall...&quot;PC &quot;Let me guess, is it an ice spider?&quot;DM &quot;Umm...not necessarily...I mean, it is a bit icy...well, its legs are icicles...&quot;PC &quot;I would say that is very icy indeed!&quot;The PCs decided to take their Ice-Sled, pulled by snowdogs, through the Frostwood, avoiding the frost-wolves and ice-wights, to Iceholme, the ice-castle of the ice-giant king, to ask him to lend the ice-mage the seed of winter so he could cure the Lord of Everfrost's wife,&nbsp; who had been turned to ice by an winter-witch for being cold-hearted.We also had to gloss over the fact that the entire place survived on wild game, when there was nothing for the game to eat. The DM eventually said that the carribu were magical and ate ice. That did not help matters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Unwise, post: 7657625, member: 98008"] [MENTION=54629]pukunui[/MENTION] I am glad I am not the only one who thinks that way. I was a player in a game just like what you described and it was the monsters and constant reliance on the ranger that killed it. It became hard for the DM to maintain the suspension of disbelief after this exchange: DM "You see a huge bat..." PC "Let me guess, is it a frost bat?" DM "Umm....yeah" <Later the same fight> DM "Then a huge spider erupts from a crack in the wall..." PC "Let me guess, is it an ice spider?" DM "Umm...not necessarily...I mean, it is a bit icy...well, its legs are icicles..." PC "I would say that is very icy indeed!" The PCs decided to take their Ice-Sled, pulled by snowdogs, through the Frostwood, avoiding the frost-wolves and ice-wights, to Iceholme, the ice-castle of the ice-giant king, to ask him to lend the ice-mage the seed of winter so he could cure the Lord of Everfrost's wife, who had been turned to ice by an winter-witch for being cold-hearted. We also had to gloss over the fact that the entire place survived on wild game, when there was nothing for the game to eat. The DM eventually said that the carribu were magical and ate ice. That did not help matters. [/QUOTE]

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