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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9125003" data-attributes="member: 5889">Alright lets flip the script a bit, as we have been focusing on why &quot;counterspell is bad&quot;, and that's just splitting the audience.Fair enough, you like counterspell and want it to stay strong. So looking at the change, is a saving throw a terrible mechanic versus the old ability check? (they are doing similar things to athletics and grapple as an example...which seems to be popular). It does allow legendary monsters to bypass it....but is there any reason that CS should be &quot;special&quot; compared to polymorph, banishment, or hold monster? The mechanic exists to give bosses a chance against the &quot;big whammy spells&quot;, aren't they entitled to protection against CS as much as any other big whammy that messes with their action economy?In one way this allows casters to burn through LRs even faster, as one caster could burn through 2 LRs in a round (with a regular spell + counterspell) as opposed to only 1 before.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 9125003, member: 5889"] Alright lets flip the script a bit, as we have been focusing on why "counterspell is bad", and that's just splitting the audience. Fair enough, you like counterspell and want it to stay strong. So looking at the change, is a saving throw a terrible mechanic versus the old ability check? (they are doing similar things to athletics and grapple as an example...which seems to be popular). It does allow legendary monsters to bypass it....but is there any reason that CS should be "special" compared to polymorph, banishment, or hold monster? The mechanic exists to give bosses a chance against the "big whammy spells", aren't they entitled to protection against CS as much as any other big whammy that messes with their action economy? In one way this allows casters to burn through LRs even faster, as one caster could burn through 2 LRs in a round (with a regular spell + counterspell) as opposed to only 1 before. [/QUOTE]

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