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<blockquote data-quote="Werebat" data-source="post: 7739862" data-attributes="member: 40158"><p>This is where I feel I am really missing something.</p><p></p><p>Most of the time, being Large is kind of a DISADVANTAGE. You take up four squares, which seriously inhibits maneuverability in combat (at least, it is a problem at least as often as it is an advantage). The big payoff for being Large in 3rd Edition was Reach, but in 5th Edition most Large things (even humanoid ones) do not have Reach. </p><p></p><p>I liked the concept of Powerful Build in 3e, but I think many people did not understand that being Medium with PB was actually SUPERIOR to just being Large in all ways save Reach. With Reach off the table, 3e Powerful Build would have been hands down more powerful than just being Large.</p><p></p><p>And with Reach off the table, exactly what is it about being Large that is so unbalancing in 5e? I get that some weapons might do more damage, sure, but again there are maneuverability issues, there is the fact that certain spells just won't work as well on you, there is the fact that when you fall unconscious your fellow PCs might not be able to just pick you up and stumble off with you. And in Dark Sun, of course, there is the matter of needing a LOT more food and water - if that is a significant part of the setting (and it should be), your Half Giant is going to be dealing with the threat of suffering Exhaustion levels a lot more often than the other PCs.</p><p></p><p>As for why going the Goliath or Firbolg route isn't satisfactory -- for me, it bugs me that HALF giants would be anything but somewhere in between Medium and Huge (the size of an Athasian giant). </p><p></p><p>"But Medium with Powerful Build is somewhere in between Medium and Huge..."</p><p></p><p>Yeah, but it's kind of lame. Look, the original Dark Sun books made it clear that Half Giant PCs viewed the world differently than everyone else specifically because they were so big, and could do things that PCs of other races wouldn't even think of. Parking your cart is no big deal when you can lift it up and move it to wherever you want it to be. Maybe it's just that it screws with the fantastic old Dark Sun artwork. I just don't like it.</p><p></p><p>And has been said before, any advantage it would give in Athas can be counterbalanced by beefing up the other PC races, which is exactly how the original Dark Sun handled things (imperfectly, I'll admit, but it tried).</p><p></p><p>Given the setting I'd be more worried about the power imbalance inherent in the Thri-Kreen, at any size. Natural armor, natural attacks, natural venom - and the ability to go without food and water for a LOT longer than everyone else. Not a big thing in the Realms, but in Athas...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Werebat, post: 7739862, member: 40158"] This is where I feel I am really missing something. Most of the time, being Large is kind of a DISADVANTAGE. You take up four squares, which seriously inhibits maneuverability in combat (at least, it is a problem at least as often as it is an advantage). The big payoff for being Large in 3rd Edition was Reach, but in 5th Edition most Large things (even humanoid ones) do not have Reach. I liked the concept of Powerful Build in 3e, but I think many people did not understand that being Medium with PB was actually SUPERIOR to just being Large in all ways save Reach. With Reach off the table, 3e Powerful Build would have been hands down more powerful than just being Large. And with Reach off the table, exactly what is it about being Large that is so unbalancing in 5e? I get that some weapons might do more damage, sure, but again there are maneuverability issues, there is the fact that certain spells just won't work as well on you, there is the fact that when you fall unconscious your fellow PCs might not be able to just pick you up and stumble off with you. And in Dark Sun, of course, there is the matter of needing a LOT more food and water - if that is a significant part of the setting (and it should be), your Half Giant is going to be dealing with the threat of suffering Exhaustion levels a lot more often than the other PCs. As for why going the Goliath or Firbolg route isn't satisfactory -- for me, it bugs me that HALF giants would be anything but somewhere in between Medium and Huge (the size of an Athasian giant). "But Medium with Powerful Build is somewhere in between Medium and Huge..." Yeah, but it's kind of lame. Look, the original Dark Sun books made it clear that Half Giant PCs viewed the world differently than everyone else specifically because they were so big, and could do things that PCs of other races wouldn't even think of. Parking your cart is no big deal when you can lift it up and move it to wherever you want it to be. Maybe it's just that it screws with the fantastic old Dark Sun artwork. I just don't like it. And has been said before, any advantage it would give in Athas can be counterbalanced by beefing up the other PC races, which is exactly how the original Dark Sun handled things (imperfectly, I'll admit, but it tried). Given the setting I'd be more worried about the power imbalance inherent in the Thri-Kreen, at any size. Natural armor, natural attacks, natural venom - and the ability to go without food and water for a LOT longer than everyone else. Not a big thing in the Realms, but in Athas... [/QUOTE]
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