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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6004373" data-attributes="member: 87792">Oh yes it is. /Panto&nbsp;An ironic assessment given the original argument was about houserules and that it was indicated that you could houserule earlier games and that this advice was there.&nbsp; You've just reversed the goalposts, first saying that only TSR D&amp;D encouraged you to make the game your own and now saying that you shouldn't use Rule Zero.&nbsp;&nbsp;If by &quot;rules&quot; you mean &quot;hit points&quot;, yes.&nbsp; A combat in 4e takes longer because in AD&amp;D a standard goblin has IIRC 2 hit points - a level 1 non-minion 4e goblin has IIRC 27.&nbsp; &nbsp;Hit point bloat is not the same as rules bloat - in terms of core rules, 4e is closer to oD&amp;D than AD&amp;D.&nbsp; It then adds options, but the rules remain simple and exception based.&nbsp;&nbsp;Many are in the PHB - this proportion decreased over time.&nbsp; Without any non-combat utilities, you're still as competent as any non-casting AD&amp;D character - utilities allow you to go above and beyond (which to be fair the thief is meant to be able to in 1e even if he took a stealth nerf in 2e with e.g. the downgrading of scale sheer surface to climb wall).&nbsp;&nbsp;Emulating.&nbsp; In 4e the game ends up like a novel - in previous editions the game doesn't even resemble a D&amp;D novel that closely.&nbsp;I started playing 4e in 2009, and the game has improved massively since then.&nbsp;&nbsp;You mean iterations like 4e?The only characters in AD&amp;D that could be written on index cards were non-casters.&nbsp; Fighters or thieves.&nbsp; If you wanted to be a caster, all you actually could fit on the index card beyond first level was the names of your spells and the page references.&nbsp; This is not your character - merely pointers.&nbsp;In 4e you can write an Essentials fighter or Elementalist Sorceror on one side of an index card.&nbsp; A thief might take both sides - and I could probably manage most characters on that (most powers take about half a line each).&nbsp; (And it's one hell of a more usable format than the official character sheets for these classes).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6004373, member: 87792"] Oh yes it is. /Panto An ironic assessment given the original argument was about houserules and that it was indicated that you could houserule earlier games and that this advice was there. You've just reversed the goalposts, first saying that only TSR D&D encouraged you to make the game your own and now saying that you shouldn't use Rule Zero. If by "rules" you mean "hit points", yes. A combat in 4e takes longer because in AD&D a standard goblin has IIRC 2 hit points - a level 1 non-minion 4e goblin has IIRC 27. Hit point bloat is not the same as rules bloat - in terms of core rules, 4e is closer to oD&D than AD&D. It then adds options, but the rules remain simple and exception based. Many are in the PHB - this proportion decreased over time. Without any non-combat utilities, you're still as competent as any non-casting AD&D character - utilities allow you to go above and beyond (which to be fair the thief is meant to be able to in 1e even if he took a stealth nerf in 2e with e.g. the downgrading of scale sheer surface to climb wall). Emulating. In 4e the game ends up like a novel - in previous editions the game doesn't even resemble a [I]D&D[/I] novel that closely. I started playing 4e in 2009, and the game has improved massively since then. You mean iterations like 4e? The only characters in AD&D that could be written on index cards were non-casters. Fighters or thieves. If you wanted to be a caster, all you actually could fit on the index card beyond first level was the [I]names[/I] of your spells and the page references. This is not your character - merely pointers. In 4e you can write an Essentials fighter or Elementalist Sorceror on one side of an index card. A thief might take both sides - and I could probably manage most characters on that (most powers take about half a line each). (And it's one hell of a more usable format than the official character sheets for these classes). [/QUOTE]

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