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<blockquote data-quote="GreyICE" data-source="post: 6007646" data-attributes="member: 6684526">Wow, I... I couldn't more strongly disagree with everything you said.&nbsp;&nbsp; A lot of it is wrong.&nbsp; Some of it doesn't even have the substance to be wrong.&nbsp; It's just not there.I think the worst part is probably the idea that if we were all super respectful of everything, all the problems would vanish.&nbsp; But the problem is people not buying books and materials.&nbsp; There's several factors, certainly TPB didn't help.&nbsp; But if people don't buy they're not interested.&nbsp; If they're not interested it's not because of respect, or lack thereof.&nbsp; It's because the hobby doesn't hold their interest.&nbsp; And if it doesn't hold their interest, while other hobbies do, there's probably a reason for that.&nbsp; Wizards was on the right track in a lot of ways with 4E, and it's sad to see it go so thoroughly.&nbsp; Could it have used a reboot, done better?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; But that's not what is happening.&nbsp; As for the idea that a $70 million industry will lead a $70 BILLION one around, well it's a nice, noble dream, but there's no mechanism to that dream.&nbsp; There's no way the $70 million industry gets somewhere the $70 billion one is going before they do.&nbsp; If they're in a similar niche, the best they can do is carve out their own space, and this is not done by declaring &quot;We are the Visionaries of the Future!&quot; and ignoring everything the $70 billion dollar industry does.&nbsp; That way lies madness and Segway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GreyICE, post: 6007646, member: 6684526"] Wow, I... I couldn't more strongly disagree with everything you said. A lot of it is wrong. Some of it doesn't even have the substance to be wrong. It's just not there. I think the worst part is probably the idea that if we were all super respectful of everything, all the problems would vanish. But the problem is people not buying books and materials. There's several factors, certainly TPB didn't help. But if people don't buy they're not interested. If they're not interested it's not because of respect, or lack thereof. It's because the hobby doesn't hold their interest. And if it doesn't hold their interest, while other hobbies do, there's probably a reason for that. Wizards was on the right track in a lot of ways with 4E, and it's sad to see it go so thoroughly. Could it have used a reboot, done better? Yes. But that's not what is happening. As for the idea that a $70 million industry will lead a $70 BILLION one around, well it's a nice, noble dream, but there's no mechanism to that dream. There's no way the $70 million industry gets somewhere the $70 billion one is going before they do. If they're in a similar niche, the best they can do is carve out their own space, and this is not done by declaring "We are the Visionaries of the Future!" and ignoring everything the $70 billion dollar industry does. That way lies madness and Segway. [/QUOTE]

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