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Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!
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<blockquote data-quote="Aaron L" data-source="post: 8347036" data-attributes="member: 926"><p>Whatever stats were appended to Takhisis for different purposes don't really make much difference regarding her identity. The people at TSR weren't really striving for that kind of internal consistency; they were far more concerned with creating game stats that gave a proper <em>game </em>challenge for PCs of appropriate levels. </p><p></p><p>Game mechanic stats are mutable things, able to be altered for whatever purpose required to make for a good fun game. Thus, the stats given for Tiamat as the Archdevil ruler of Avernus were whatever was needed to make her an appropriately challenging fight for high level PCs, while the stats given for Tiamat as the Goddess Takhisis were meant to be appropriate for something worshiped by Evil Clerics.</p><p></p><p>But regardless, they are both the same 5-headed Divine Draconic entity known as the Mother of Evil Dragons, with the exact same appearance, and both Bahamut and Paladine are The Platinum Dragon. Trying to insist that they are somehow different entities is just pedantry (and I have nothing against pedantry in and of itself, I do it myself quite a bit.) But in this case the only differences are due to being viewed through the lenses of different world mythologies. Perhaps Tiamat and Bahamut have greater power on the world of Krynn because on that planet they are worshiped as, well... Greater Powers? In the end it really doesn't matter... they are clearly the same entities who just wear some different clothing when on Krynn.</p><p></p><p>I only care about this subject at all because I am currently playing a War Cleric of Bahamut 4/Celestial Warlock 5 called Eryx of the North Wind*, and he refers to his primary God as both Bahamut and Paladine interchangeably. Since I didn't know a whole lot about the worship of Bahamut as a God when I created the character at the beginning of the year I did a lot of research about it.</p><p></p><p>(*Eryx of the North Wind just attracted a group of 36 cultists who worship him personally, which was <em>not </em>something that Eryx sought, and is something he now has to figure out a way to deal with without offending his actual Gods or Patrons. But interestingly, all of the various D&D paths for Apotheosis seem to always share the same 1st step of acquiring a group of followers who already worship the PC as a God... )</p><p> </p><p>Even real-world mythology is rarely internally consistent, and is almost always full of contradictions. The crafted mythology of D&D is no different.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aaron L, post: 8347036, member: 926"] Whatever stats were appended to Takhisis for different purposes don't really make much difference regarding her identity. The people at TSR weren't really striving for that kind of internal consistency; they were far more concerned with creating game stats that gave a proper [I]game [/I]challenge for PCs of appropriate levels. Game mechanic stats are mutable things, able to be altered for whatever purpose required to make for a good fun game. Thus, the stats given for Tiamat as the Archdevil ruler of Avernus were whatever was needed to make her an appropriately challenging fight for high level PCs, while the stats given for Tiamat as the Goddess Takhisis were meant to be appropriate for something worshiped by Evil Clerics. But regardless, they are both the same 5-headed Divine Draconic entity known as the Mother of Evil Dragons, with the exact same appearance, and both Bahamut and Paladine are The Platinum Dragon. Trying to insist that they are somehow different entities is just pedantry (and I have nothing against pedantry in and of itself, I do it myself quite a bit.) But in this case the only differences are due to being viewed through the lenses of different world mythologies. Perhaps Tiamat and Bahamut have greater power on the world of Krynn because on that planet they are worshiped as, well... Greater Powers? In the end it really doesn't matter... they are clearly the same entities who just wear some different clothing when on Krynn. I only care about this subject at all because I am currently playing a War Cleric of Bahamut 4/Celestial Warlock 5 called Eryx of the North Wind*, and he refers to his primary God as both Bahamut and Paladine interchangeably. Since I didn't know a whole lot about the worship of Bahamut as a God when I created the character at the beginning of the year I did a lot of research about it. (*Eryx of the North Wind just attracted a group of 36 cultists who worship him personally, which was [I]not [/I]something that Eryx sought, and is something he now has to figure out a way to deal with without offending his actual Gods or Patrons. But interestingly, all of the various D&D paths for Apotheosis seem to always share the same 1st step of acquiring a group of followers who already worship the PC as a God... ) Even real-world mythology is rarely internally consistent, and is almost always full of contradictions. The crafted mythology of D&D is no different. [/QUOTE]
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