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D&D 5E Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!

According to WotC's James Wyatt, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons introduces a new cosmology for dragon gods, where the same beings, including Fizban, echo across various D&D campaign settings with alternate versions of themselves (presumably like Paladine/Bahamut, or Takhisis/Tiamat). Also... the various version can merge into one single form.

Takhisis is the five-headed dragon god of evil from the Dragonlance setting. Paladine is the platinum dragon god of good (and also Fizban's alter-ego).

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Additionally, the book will contain psychic gem dragons, with stats for all four age categories of the five varieties (traditionally there are Amethyst, Crystal, Emerald, Sapphire, and Topaz), plus Dragonborn characters based on metallic, chromatic, and gem dragons.


 
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Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey



As far as I'm aware of, Tiamat/Takhsis "are" the same and the same could be said for Bahamut/Paladine as well since both are Platinum Scaled dragons. And since now Dragons have "echoes" of their alternate reality versions and stuff, well there ya go.
 











dave2008

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I wish they wouldn't, but I think the ship has sailed.
Why not? It seems very odd to have two sets of essentially the same dragon deities and not have them be related in some form. I never realized it was even a thought that they were different entities until hearing about it on these forums in recent years. When I got Dragonlance back in the day, my first thought was: oh, that is a cool name for Tiamat!
 
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Why not? It seems very odd to have two sets of essentially the same dragon deities and not have them be related in some form. I never realized it was even a thought that they were different entities until hear about on these forums in recent years. When I got Dragonlance back in the day, my first thought was: oh, that is a cool name for Tiamat!
I don't think anyone in the 1E era thought they were different entities until TSR suddenly got very agitated about that idea for some reason and started yelling about them being different creatures with identical appearances and MOs. It was a very silly line for them to draw and I'm glad that WotC keeps walking it back.
 


dave2008

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I don't think anyone in the 1E era thought they were different entities until TSR suddenly got very agitated about that idea for some reason and started yelling about them being different creatures with identical appearances and MOs. It was a very silly line for them to draw and I'm glad that WotC keeps walking it back.
When and where did they start saying that though? I have seen quotes from 2e, 3e, 4e, and 5e that they are one and the same; but I have never seen anything official that said they are different entities. Not saying it doesn't existing, just no one has ever posted it or pointed me to where I can find in any of the recent threads.
 

When and where did they start saying that though? I have seen quotes from 2e, 3e, 4e, and 5e that they are one and the same; but I have never seen anything official that said they are different entities. Not saying it doesn't existing, just no one has ever posted it or pointed me to where I can find in any of the recent threads.
I was not a big Dragonlance fan (got through six paperbacks and I was all good), so I don't remember exactly. I do know it was in the 1980s that I heard about it first, and at that time, my only real contact with fandom was TSR official publications. I would guess it was in Dragon magazine at some point, since I don't think I owned any Dragonlance game books.
 


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