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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Urriak Uruk" data-source="post: 8349211" data-attributes="member: 7015558">I largely agree with your entire comment here; I personally think the DMG gives an open invitation to ignore all printed material on the planes entirely, and although most material likes to use the Great Wheel as its preferred model (or default), the DMG kind of says that this can never truly be confirmed.Once you've decided on the planes you want to use in your campaign, putting them into a coherent cosmology is an optional step. Since the primary way of traveling from plane to plane, even using the Transitive Planes, is through magical portals that link planes together, the exact relationship of different planes to one another is largely a theoretical concern. No being in the multiverse can look down and see the planes in their arrangement the same way as we look at a diagram in a book. No mortal can verify whether Mount Celestia is sandwiched between Bytopia and Arcadia, but it's a convenient theoretical construct based on the philosophical shading among the three planes and the relative importance they give to law and good.Sages have constructed a few such theoretical models to make sense of the jumble of planes, particularly the Outer Planes. The three most common are the Great Wheel, the World Tree, and the World Axis, but you can create or adapt whatever model works best for the planes you want to use in your game.This largely gives an open door for DMs to completely disregard the Great Wheel, essentially saying "The sages of Candlekeep think the Planes are in a Great Wheel... but they're wrong, it's actually a giant plate on the back of four cosmic tortoises!"My original comment is largely trying to take all of the default assumptions and trying to collate it into one thing... but the DMG quote above can invalidate any multiversal theory.Someone did point out to me that the Eberron Planes aren't encased in the Ring, so that does mean that they float... somewhere. I believe they just orbit Eberron as normal (I guess in the Phlogiston, but I prefer the Astral which makes more sense here).</blockquote>

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