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<blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 5795011" data-attributes="member: 3586">Here's my chart of comparing 3E combat to 4E combat lengths. Pathfinder, as a derivative of 3E, should have a fairly similar line:<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/attachments/general-rpg-discussion/42867d1265155674-d-d-4th-edition-higher-levels-question-combat.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />The cross-over point comes around 12th level or thereabouts; at that time, PF is wandering into some serious complexity of modifiers, number of attacks and effects, whilst 4E is only slightly more complicated than at the start.It should be noted that 4E Essentials combat runs significantly faster than PHB combat, with higher damage, less AC for the same (or fewer) HP. Number of players makes a huge difference for 4E combat, due to the way combat scales with extra combatants for each new player. As I like running high-level campaigns - one of my 4E campaigns finished at 30th, and the other is at 16th, and four of my 3E campaigns finished between 16-20, I end up spending a lot of time in the higher levels. So combat length at those levels is a big factor for me, and I'm not hopeful that PF fixes it.I'm very hopeful that the next version of D&amp;D will, however! Seriously, understanding what you want out of a D&amp;D game makes a huge difference as to which edition you play. Choosing the wrong edition is likely to be very frustrating. Every edition has its own strengths and weaknesses; I'm still waiting for my perfect edition!Cheers!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MerricB, post: 5795011, member: 3586"] Here's my chart of comparing 3E combat to 4E combat lengths. Pathfinder, as a derivative of 3E, should have a fairly similar line: [img]http://www.enworld.org/forum/attachments/general-rpg-discussion/42867d1265155674-d-d-4th-edition-higher-levels-question-combat.jpg[/img] The cross-over point comes around 12th level or thereabouts; at that time, PF is wandering into some serious complexity of modifiers, number of attacks and effects, whilst 4E is only slightly more complicated than at the start. It should be noted that 4E Essentials combat runs significantly faster than PHB combat, with higher damage, less AC for the same (or fewer) HP. Number of players makes a huge difference for 4E combat, due to the way combat scales with extra combatants for each new player. As I like running high-level campaigns - one of my 4E campaigns finished at 30th, and the other is at 16th, and four of my 3E campaigns finished between 16-20, I end up spending a lot of time in the higher levels. So combat length at those levels is a big factor for me, and I'm not hopeful that PF fixes it. I'm very hopeful that the next version of D&D will, however! Seriously, understanding what you want out of a D&D game makes a huge difference as to which edition you play. Choosing the wrong edition is likely to be very frustrating. Every edition has its own strengths and weaknesses; I'm still waiting for my perfect edition! Cheers! [/QUOTE]

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