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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quinnman" data-source="post: 2083446" data-attributes="member: 24223">Making RoE a no save spell in 3.5 was way over the line in my book!A char in heavy armor is effectively taken out of the fight with this one (1st level!) spell... unless his strength is very high or he carries nothing but his armor... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />What I mean is... many chars (even fighters) have a str between 14 and 16 making them able to carry 175-230 lbs as their absolute max.A 4th level caster casting RoE will with a roll of 3 give a penalty of 5 to str... that brings the str down to between 9 and 11, reducing absolute max to 90-115! (Make it a good roll and things really start to happen!)Now take a fighter with full plate (50 lb), heavy steel shield (20 lb), weapon, blanket, sacks, torches etc. and you will surprisingly fast get beyond that max!... making that char unable to move... thus no longer able to fight...For a low-level group in a low-magic world (such as ours <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />) RoE is WAY too good!</blockquote>