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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2092163" data-attributes="member: 2011">Oh, you mean munchkin spells like Sleep???RoE with 14 Dex first level Wizard or Sorcerer against touch AC 10 has a 65% chance of taking about 4 points of Strength on average. But, the opponent can still act.Sleep with a 16 Int or 16 Cha Wizard or Sorcerer (respectively) against a good will save opponent (i.e. +2 at level one) with a 14 Wisdom has a 45% chance of succeeding. The chance increases to 65% against most Fighter types.65% chance of -4 Str vs. 45%-65% chance of unconscious.Seems balanced to me.How about Color Spray?Granted, RoE scales with level and metamagic feats, but by then your casters are getting stuff like Web, Hold Person, Disentegrate and opponent casters are getting things like Dispel Magic. At low level, RoE is less potent than some other spells, at higher level, RoE is still less potent than some other spells, even if metamagiced.It is good that it scales, especially for a Sorcerer. But then, so does combat damage. If a 11th level Fighter gets a full round attack against a 11th level Wizard, the Wizard is often toast in one round. I have no problem with the Wizard winning initiative and the Fighter being basically toast in one round (with a 6th level equivalent Empower Maximized RoE spell which is often the Wizards only 6th level spell unless he specialized).</blockquote>