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<blockquote data-quote="eprieur" data-source="post: 6037745" data-attributes="member: 81191">I'll give some dpr numbers to try to get some perspective.VS AC 15Baseline fighter, lvl 1, 18 str, 2-h: 7.1 dpr, 2.4 for deadly strike, total 9.5 dpr.Same fighter with advantage (slightly less if you roll one attack at a time): 10.38 dps main + 3.54 DS, total 13.92.Base line lvl 1 rogue, no DW, human, 18 dex, 2-h katana with advantage:7.95 main + 6.8 sneak, total 14.75.DW Rogue with advantage, sneak divided by 2 (slightly less then that due to rounding down). human lvl 1 rogue, 18 dex, 2 short sword (d6):6.96 for both main attacks + 4.5 for sneak, total 11.46. If you don't divide by 2: sneak give 9 dpr, total 15.96.For 1 feat, lvl 1, you get 1 dpr more and some versatility. Eventually you get +1 ac. That's versus no feat at all (2-h for fighter or normal rogue).The more you level, the worse it gets. For example, a lvl 5 rogue can do 35.52 dpr, where 27.21 is from sneak attack. If you divide sneak by 2, your dpr drop to 22 dpr total, losing around 13.5 dpr, making the feat more then useless.It's similar with the dex fighter and deadly strike but to a lesser extent since deadly strike does less damage then sneak.There is also the case at lvl 5 of a dex halfling fighter with 2 D8 SS, 18 dex, who knock down with first attack and get advantage on the 2nd if the first hit. If the first miss but 2nd hit, you knock down + 1 deadly strike. It's still less dpr then just attacking with 2 dices of deadly strike but this enable the rogue in the party to easily get advantage so it's tech, but less dpr for the fighter.Basically, if you split the DS or SA dice, it's bad at lvl 1, but at level 5 it's more then bad, it's unusable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="eprieur, post: 6037745, member: 81191"] I'll give some dpr numbers to try to get some perspective. VS AC 15 Baseline fighter, lvl 1, 18 str, 2-h: 7.1 dpr, 2.4 for deadly strike, total 9.5 dpr. Same fighter with advantage (slightly less if you roll one attack at a time): 10.38 dps main + 3.54 DS, total 13.92. Base line lvl 1 rogue, no DW, human, 18 dex, 2-h katana with advantage: 7.95 main + 6.8 sneak, total 14.75. DW Rogue with advantage, sneak divided by 2 (slightly less then that due to rounding down). human lvl 1 rogue, 18 dex, 2 short sword (d6): 6.96 for both main attacks + 4.5 for sneak, total 11.46. If you don't divide by 2: sneak give 9 dpr, total 15.96. For 1 feat, lvl 1, you get 1 dpr more and some versatility. Eventually you get +1 ac. That's versus no feat at all (2-h for fighter or normal rogue). The more you level, the worse it gets. For example, a lvl 5 rogue can do 35.52 dpr, where 27.21 is from sneak attack. If you divide sneak by 2, your dpr drop to 22 dpr total, losing around 13.5 dpr, making the feat more then useless. It's similar with the dex fighter and deadly strike but to a lesser extent since deadly strike does less damage then sneak. There is also the case at lvl 5 of a dex halfling fighter with 2 D8 SS, 18 dex, who knock down with first attack and get advantage on the 2nd if the first hit. If the first miss but 2nd hit, you knock down + 1 deadly strike. It's still less dpr then just attacking with 2 dices of deadly strike but this enable the rogue in the party to easily get advantage so it's tech, but less dpr for the fighter. Basically, if you split the DS or SA dice, it's bad at lvl 1, but at level 5 it's more then bad, it's unusable. [/QUOTE]

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