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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 4651480" data-attributes="member: 224">Obviously.I currently play in three separate gaming groups, with three separate DMs.&nbsp; OA just don't happen.&nbsp; Marks, OTOH, are ignored sometimes...but only if the defenders are built poorly, or are in a poor tactical position that round.&nbsp; (A Str-Paladin would be the afore-mentioned poorly-built defender.)....and clearly - if this thread is a judge - other games have OAs all the time.&nbsp; &lt;shakes head&gt;&nbsp; Huh! I'm not sure why, but there it is: YMMV.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; Nothing wrong with that!But either way: If the Paladin class is only &quot;well-designed&quot; depending on whether or not your DM uses OAs......&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />This is interesting.&nbsp; Are you claiming a Wis of ~14 is all you really need from 1st - 30th?&nbsp; I'd love to hear why you think this is so...do you have more examples?&nbsp; Play experience?...because if true, then the dragonborn Paladin can afford to pump Str and Chr, and not have to make the choice at all.&nbsp; Str 16, Wis 14, Chr 18, (etc).&nbsp; For the Dragonborn (at least), that would be cool.&nbsp; I'm all for &quot;cool&quot;.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool&nbsp; &nbsp; :cool:"&nbsp; data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 4651480, member: 224"] Obviously. I currently play in three separate gaming groups, with three separate DMs. OA just don't happen. Marks, OTOH, are ignored sometimes...[b]but only if[/b] the defenders are built poorly, or are in a poor tactical position that round. (A Str-Paladin would be the afore-mentioned poorly-built defender.) ....and clearly - if this thread is a judge - other games have OAs all the time. <shakes head> Huh! I'm not sure why, but there it is: YMMV. :D Nothing wrong with that! But either way: If the Paladin class is only "well-designed" depending on whether or not your DM uses OAs...... :lol: This is interesting. Are you claiming a Wis of ~14 is all you really need from 1st - 30th? I'd love to hear why you think this is so...do you have more examples? Play experience? ...because if true, then the dragonborn Paladin can afford to pump Str and Chr, and not have to make the choice at all. Str 16, Wis 14, Chr 18, (etc). For the Dragonborn (at least), that would be cool. I'm all for "cool". :cool: [/QUOTE]

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