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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7829837" data-attributes="member: 15700">We have a new player and last Sunday they wanted to cast sleep in a room to take out any unknown guards.&nbsp; Then it was pointed out by the other wizard (me) how most likely the spell would end up affecting us instead, since we probably had lower HP than whatever might be in the room.&nbsp; Sleep is good, but you have to have an idea of what you're casting it against and how it might affect you first.There is another benefit of sleep that gets overlooked.&nbsp; Everyone says how it loses effectiveness against higher level creatures.&nbsp; That's only true at the start of combat.&nbsp; If you've beaten down your target and want a guarantee way to incapacitate it, sleep is still very effective.&nbsp;&nbsp; There is no save for it.&nbsp; So beat that 100 hp opponent down to 20ish or so HP, and cast at higher slot if you need to.&nbsp; Boom.&nbsp; Tango down.&nbsp; Especially effective at monsters who are resistant to damage or have great saves, since that last 20 or so hp might take a while to whittle down via traditional combat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7829837, member: 15700"] We have a new player and last Sunday they wanted to cast sleep in a room to take out any unknown guards. Then it was pointed out by the other wizard (me) how most likely the spell would end up affecting us instead, since we probably had lower HP than whatever might be in the room. Sleep is good, but you have to have an idea of what you're casting it against and how it might affect you first. There is another benefit of sleep that gets overlooked. Everyone says how it loses effectiveness against higher level creatures. That's only true at the start of combat. If you've beaten down your target and want a guarantee way to incapacitate it, sleep is still very effective. There is no save for it. So beat that 100 hp opponent down to 20ish or so HP, and cast at higher slot if you need to. Boom. Tango down. Especially effective at monsters who are resistant to damage or have great saves, since that last 20 or so hp might take a while to whittle down via traditional combat. [/QUOTE]

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