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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7830302" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>I'm willing to examine this: proving it wrong will feel soo good.</p><p></p><p>1st complaint - the PC's in your depiction have on average 1-2 hp lower than they would normally have.</p><p></p><p>What is the chance the wizard ambushes the party?</p><p>What is the chance the wizard goes first if he doesn't?</p><p>What is the chance the wizard rolls high enough hp to sleep all 3?</p><p>What is the chance the wizard rolls high enough to sleep the rogue and cleric?</p><p>What is the chance the wizard rolls high enough to only sleep the lowest hp character?</p><p></p><p>It seems to me that with all probabilities accounted for - that the wizard isn't even likely to go before the other PC's and that he is very unlikely to sleep all 3 even if he does. </p><p></p><p>If the wizard doesn't go first he's toast.</p><p>If the wizard fails to sleep all 3 then the fighter slaps one of the other PC's awake and moves away from that PC - whichever has a turn after him. (low chance the fighter goes after both the cleric and the rogue). That PC then moves slaps the other awake and moves away. Now the wizard can't even target all 3 with sleep. He's now toast.</p><p></p><p>Pretty much the only scenarios he can actually win are</p><p>1. He ambushes the party AND sleeps 3 players </p><p>2. He ambushes the party and sleeps 1 or 2 players and goes in initiative before the other players</p><p>3. He fails to ambush but goes first and sleeps all 3.</p><p>4. He fails to ambush but goes first and sleeps 2 and that the unslept player is last in initiative.</p><p></p><p>Honeslty, the wizard probably has a higher chance of killing them all just casting burning hands an hoping for some failed dex saves...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7830302, member: 6795602"] I'm willing to examine this: proving it wrong will feel soo good. 1st complaint - the PC's in your depiction have on average 1-2 hp lower than they would normally have. What is the chance the wizard ambushes the party? What is the chance the wizard goes first if he doesn't? What is the chance the wizard rolls high enough hp to sleep all 3? What is the chance the wizard rolls high enough to sleep the rogue and cleric? What is the chance the wizard rolls high enough to only sleep the lowest hp character? It seems to me that with all probabilities accounted for - that the wizard isn't even likely to go before the other PC's and that he is very unlikely to sleep all 3 even if he does. If the wizard doesn't go first he's toast. If the wizard fails to sleep all 3 then the fighter slaps one of the other PC's awake and moves away from that PC - whichever has a turn after him. (low chance the fighter goes after both the cleric and the rogue). That PC then moves slaps the other awake and moves away. Now the wizard can't even target all 3 with sleep. He's now toast. Pretty much the only scenarios he can actually win are 1. He ambushes the party AND sleeps 3 players 2. He ambushes the party and sleeps 1 or 2 players and goes in initiative before the other players 3. He fails to ambush but goes first and sleeps all 3. 4. He fails to ambush but goes first and sleeps 2 and that the unslept player is last in initiative. Honeslty, the wizard probably has a higher chance of killing them all just casting burning hands an hoping for some failed dex saves... [/QUOTE]
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