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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 6264818" data-attributes="member: 6698278">I don't think it has to be either or.&nbsp;&nbsp; My personal preference is the simple fighter but I could see additional classes/subclasses etc.. that allow for martial manuevers.&nbsp; I could even see a feat that gives you a couple manuevers.I wish the weapon master was what people in the complex camp wanted.&nbsp; I realize it falls short for them.&nbsp; While I can live with it, I wish damage on a miss could get moved out of the simple fighter.&nbsp; I think people that really love the simple fighter will mostly not like damage on a miss.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm guessing the simple fighter types are mostly traditionalists and some people that don't care who just want simple.&nbsp; It seems to me that a few basic moves could make a lot of people happy.&nbsp;&nbsp; I do think that maneuvers could be categorized as standard, extraordinary, and supernatural so that some groups could opt-in to one level but not another.&nbsp;&nbsp; Even though I prefer personally the simple fighter, I could see allowing some level of maneuvers in my game but not to the degree that 4e did (in all ways that is obviously some where fine).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 6264818, member: 6698278"] I don't think it has to be either or. My personal preference is the simple fighter but I could see additional classes/subclasses etc.. that allow for martial manuevers. I could even see a feat that gives you a couple manuevers. I wish the weapon master was what people in the complex camp wanted. I realize it falls short for them. While I can live with it, I wish damage on a miss could get moved out of the simple fighter. I think people that really love the simple fighter will mostly not like damage on a miss. I'm guessing the simple fighter types are mostly traditionalists and some people that don't care who just want simple. It seems to me that a few basic moves could make a lot of people happy. I do think that maneuvers could be categorized as standard, extraordinary, and supernatural so that some groups could opt-in to one level but not another. Even though I prefer personally the simple fighter, I could see allowing some level of maneuvers in my game but not to the degree that 4e did (in all ways that is obviously some where fine). [/QUOTE]

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