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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark Hope" data-source="post: 3327647" data-attributes="member: 27051">Heh heh, don't bet on it.  I am something of a DS obsessive and could ramble on about this for hours.  But again, you're very welcome <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. The Paizo version of Dark Sun did connect the Black to the Plane of Shadow in quite an imaginative manner.  The Black isn't linked to the Plane of Shadow in the 2e DS material, nor is it explicitly linked to the Plane of Shadow in the athas.org material (although the latter allows for it to be analogous to the Plane of Shadow where the DM desires).  The same goes for the Deep Grey - given the lack of precedence for connecting this to the Deep Ethereal in TotDL, I'd say that this allows the DM to pick and choose as he desires.  Personally, I keep my DS cosmology separate from other settings, but we included these links in TotDL to give DMs the freedom to use, refuse or abuse such connections as they see fit.Going by the material in TotDL, the Positive Energy Plane is represented by highly energetic regions of the Elemental Planes.  The reasoning here is that the Elemental Planes are the closest thing to sources of creative energy in the DS cosmology, and so can be used to represent positive energy if the DM so wishes.  In 2e this wasn't required as the positive/negative energy planes didn't play such a large role in spells and class abilities.  They have assumed greater prominence in 3e, so there's more of a need to allow for their inclusion.That's a really interesting idea.  From a design perspective it's something of a retcon - the idea being that (from the perspective of a DS3e game), the planes have always been like this.  But it would be really cool to develop some of the established planes taking into account the influence of positive and negative energy.  This ties in quite nicely with the more obscure inner planes like Ash, Radiance, Lightning etc.  Always been a fan of those.Well, the DS metaplot has always had more than its fair share of world-shaking, canon-altering events, so why stop now? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  The arisal of a new form of supernatural energy would make for a pretty cool campaign arc.  It might be interesting to see how something like incarnum fits into DS.  There have already been discussions about making DS vestiges based on figures like Kalak and Tithian over at the DS boards as well.Once you have been bitten by the cactus, there is no going back  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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